[Crazy-Al]

Togmaster wrote:
…I apologize if I came across wrong and agree on how important these elements are.

But If you break it down into the type of fishing your doing verses overall I think it would be a better question that is my only point, and opinion I again I'm sorry! .. .
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Hi Togmaster

No apologies necessary! If anything, I am the one who should apologies because I was purposely asked the "general questions" so everyone can read what's on a sharpies' mind! Being that you are a sharpie of many quarries….(inshore and offshore)… Your answers are right on! The truth of the matter is… One man's perfect conditions may be horrible for others!

Below I will post two pictures (what appears to be horrible conditions) but when you look at it… It can be very productive!

This picture of me shows how productive a nasty NE 50+ gust (thundering) condition can be.

"Crazy" Alberto
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[Crazy-Al]

Here is another shot of me (fly-fishing) under the most tortuous "fly" conditions… ((notice: cameraman could not keep the camera steady due to the rain & gust)


Bottom Line: A sharpie understands the conditions and can take advantage of the worse conditions and make it happen! It all depends if he/she has the will to fight it.

All in all, the question that I asked is very important to those who wants to "learn" how wind, tide, current, temp. and other elements can affect the fish and the fisherman. I hope I am getting this message across…. And that everyone can benefit from it (including myself).

"Crazy" Alberto
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[togmaster]

My kind of weather

Hey Al now you?re talking. I remember doing a crew trip on the Helen H back in 9o's yes the same time the perfect storm was hitting. We were in the canyon with 12 guys all friends and Capt. He***Y (Won't post his name fully) was at the wheel on a crew trip. It was blowing like 50 to 70 and higher out of the nor east! We had some big yellow fins over 200lbs. It seems like nor?easters really get the big boys going. I have had very good luck offshore in some rough weather. The mate at the time Mike spin no had the pictures of the fish. These Yellows were the biggest I have seen in all my fishing at the canyon. It looked like the monsters on the Cal. long range trips. But when we decided to turn and pull anchor the biggest wave hit us head on blew both front windows out and my friend mike was washed out of the tables in the front and went flying down the center almost leaving us forever. Yes we did some crazy things back then but Thank god I'm here to tell it. 13 Hrs' later and H###y strapped to the chair would not give up the wheel. I never till this day saw him strapped to the chair.
Then was the Wilmington Canyon trip from **** we had a load of sword fish and some Eye's but the trip home mounted in the loss of the whole pulpit on the Helen H. No fun running home into a new wind blowing steady 70 knts.
Then was the 95 nor?easter had found out 1 boat from the Bay had to giants in the 900LBs. range I think the only boat out there. So like a fool I told my friend with his 44' Henric'es we got to go the bites on. So. We rounded up a crew and headed out into a 50
+ nor?easter. When we arrived 3 hr.s later only 36miles. The party boat Elsiek was there and doing 60 deg roles on anchor. He said in a polite way Hen**y what the **** are you Nuts doing out here? So after our conversation and them almost flipping the boat we turned around to leave the tuna Trashing right behind the boat. Even if we hooked one the waves and conditions would have hampered all efforts.
So I do agree certain times winds and other conditions will prove better.
Also there are other elements the moon being very important also. The tide s on the new moon can kill certain types of fishing all together. Then full moons light up the Bass.
So there is no right and wrong to this question in my eye?s. It?s what works best for you at the Moment. You have to learn to adapt to all conditions and try something new when things are not working. The biggest key is know where and when the fish will be in a area.
That comes from experience my friends. I?m sure most of you have found a good spot and worked over with success. Then returned to it another day with none? That?s where the good fishermen will use his instinct and knowledge to figure out what need to be done. Good luck to all and I hope I didn?t bore you with my tails?
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[Crazy-Al]

Togmaster wrote:
… So there is no right and wrong to this question in my eye's. It's what works best for you at the Moment. You have to learn to adapt to all conditions and try something new when things are not working. The biggest key is know where and when the fish will be in a area.
That comes from experience my friends. I'm sure most of you have found a good spot and worked over with success. Then returned to it another day with none? That's where the good fishermen will use his instinct and knowledge to figure out what need to be done. Good luck to all and I hope I didn't bore you with my tails?
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Togmaster
Thank you for sharing some very exciting fishing tales! One thing for sure…. Based on your last paragraph, for sure, you are on top of your fishing game and I could not agree with you more!

I believe it's all depends on the individual's ability to develop a keen instinct based on their experiences (successes and fishless days). For those that are able to absorb majority of it all, will be able to maximize what the waters have to offer and ultimately be able called a sharpie.

Now, going back to the basics…. Whether you pry the suds or work the jetties, bottom fish for those feisty critters, fly for stripers to marlin, hunt down the teethy critter or seek the deep bluewater's true large…. You will encounter the following elements and obstacles…. Wind, Tide and temp. Understanding how it relates to your grounds… it will undoubtedly make you a better fisherman.

How many of you agree or disagree with these assessments?

"Crazy" Alberto
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[621083]

Those are some inspiring pics you have there CA...

Thanks
CheekMeat

 

[spygull]

When fishing inshore tide will be the most important factor in determining where and when I fish, Offshore water temp. and wind rule.

 

[togmaster]

Find the bait

Funny I was discussing this with some of my old time Buddies and all the old time sharpies Insist that find the bait and you'll find the fish. They claim if there isbait there forget everything else. When they're ready to bite that will be the place to be!

 

[Crazy-Al]

CheekMeat wrote:
Those are some inspiring pics you have there CA...
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Thank you CheekMeat. I am glad you appreciate those pictures and let me tell you… I still remember those days very well (as if it was yesterday)! Fishing under the worse conditions (Howling NE 50 knots wind and lightning/thundering weather) is NOT for everybody and downright dangerous!

spygull wrote:
When fishing inshore tide will be the most important factor in determining where and when I fish, Offshore water temp. and wind rule.
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Spygull,
I agree with your assessments 100%!

togmaster wrote:
Funny I was discussing this with some of my old time Buddies and all the old time sharpies Insist that find the bait and you'll find the fish. They claim if there isbait there forget everything else. When they're ready to bite that will be the place to be!
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Togmaster. Ditto here! With all the years of experience telling you this… How can you deny it?

Throughout this forum I keep preaching Bait / Structure! Those are a deadly combination regardless of the conditions.

So I ask you this question…
Would you venture out in nasty conditions knowingly there is a bite somewhere? When do you know when NOT to go? Anybody wants to give this a shot?

"Crazy" Alberto
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[togmaster]

try to go no matter what!

When the Bites on you go! If you?re Crazy enough about the sport? I remember in the late 80's at the Bacardi in the first week of June like 87 or 88 The sand eel's were stacked up bring a massive season to the Bacardi. The first week of June for anyone there can recall all Big fish Giants up to 700+. Well we were there in our 25 seaox brand new. They forecasted Dead east winds up to 70 knots for the afternoon. So we said all right we better leave now with a 72 mil. Run ahead of us. Just as we jiggled the anchor my friend Chris hooks into a giant.
Well 2 hrs. Later and landing the fish never got an official weight but I would say in the 375 to 400 lbs. class. We found our self?s 7 miles east from chasing the fish. Thank god our other friend was there with his 23 sea craft. He was nuts like us he was on a big fish and Weather or not we wouldn?t leave! What a mistake. First we lost the Loran Chain.
Then the new boat we had (which is by the way the worst hull I ever rode on. We actually got sea ox to give us a new Hull the one we had was proven defective. It was there old design don?t matter now there out of business). We had a leak in the front hatch my friend Chris actually was sleeping after being exhausted from reeling in the fish had water dripping on him. The god dam guy slept through it? There were chips ahoy cookies floating on the deck along with anything else that could float. Well it took us 4 hrs to get to the 20 Fat. Curve and it got Evil ,Evil, 20ft + waves in a 25 ft. boat dead east! That?s when Capt Larry from the H was driving laughing the whole time? Then when we hit the shoals in shore of Ambrose we had nothing but mountains. It was worse then off shore. I was saying what the **** am I doing out here? Between Larry and Donald on the other boat we were able to make it back. Well that was when I decide that if you fish you must do what it takes to be in it. I am sure many of you have put your self in crazy situations because of fishing. Funny Capt Larry?s wife called the coast guard and when he got to the dock I bet he would have been happier staying out there from the **** he caught. I myself have calmed down. But when the bite is on its hard to resist! 3 kids later I must think about them. But if I was single I would be there no matter what? From a fellow crazy fishermen to another tight lines and high waves!
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[Crazy-Al]

Togmaster,
Holy cow… That's some incredible-life-wrecking story I say.
From the looks of things… You are all right in my book and "Crazy" too.

Let me ask you this, some people take calculative risks regardless… but at what point do you say no…? even when there is a strong bite somewhere….

"Crazy" Alberto
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[615965]

Hey Al, u'r knowledge is golden, as for the question of taking risks i think no matter what the weather is like anytime u got out fishing you are taking a risk sure you can take preventative measures as far as wind, wave height ect.. but the weatherman does not predict it all and a squal can sneak up at anytime, not to mention other risks u may face when fishing, examples montauk at night by yourself perched on a rock seems fairly safe, now one hard wave into your chest sending you backwards smashing onto a rock, now what most of us considered a safe situation just turns ugly real quik same as fishing crab meadow, how many guys over the years have been swept in the outflow? of my personal experiences the only time i truly felt like i could be increasing my risk was fishing under the light about 3-4 years ago lined up shoulder to shoulder bass boiling but only under the light. well we were determined to catch so we ruffed it out but every time a wave would roll in everyone would yell heads up and to avoid being swept into the drink ya had to lean against the rock and take a couple hundred gallons over your head may not sound like much but made me wish i had brought a wetsuit could not imagine trying to slip out of waders in that. it's amazing what we will do to hook-up but i always call it quits when there lightning.

 

[620508]

Wind Tide Temp

Wind is key to your drift and conditions. A little wind is generally very good especially at slack tide. Too much wind against tide in Plum Gut is time to go home or put on a life vest at least. Tide is most important. The water really needs to be moving to increase your chances of a strike. You left out another very important factor. Bottom structure. You really need to be aware of where you are fishing, when you are fishing ( tide and time of day, and season), be aware of what is biting in the area--call the bait shop.. Basically, write down the Tide Temp and Wind conditions when you catch something together with location, time of day , weather conditions. Eventually you will see the trends.