Calling all Sharpies...,Calling all Sharpies...

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Crazy-Al

Discussion Starter · May 22, 2002

For the sharpies out there…

When you plan your killer fishing trip…
How important is TIDE, WIND and TEMP.?

Also, what other important factors do you consider before venturing out?

"Crazy" Alberto
[email protected]

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Gamakatsu

· #2 · May 22, 2002

Not that I consider myself a "sharpie", but I don't take any of those into account anymore. Unfortunately, my time is limited these days so when there is a hole in my schedule, I go fishing. About the only thing that stops me is bad weather. I worked on boats for too long when I had to be out in bad weather, now I refuse to pay good money to be uncomfortable.

Gamakatsu

614851

· #3 · May 22, 2002

roger that, gamakatsu

i'll stay out in the rain or some pretty nasty stuff. but go out in the slop? no thanks, my mortgage is paid and i got lots of food in the fridge.

Capt. Marc

· #4 · May 23, 2002

Hi,

Wind is my first concern since I fish usually offshore.

If the wind is ok the I try and fish a full tide with running to and from the spot at slack tide.

An extra sweater or good raingear solves the temp issue.

Capt. Marc

614091

· #5 · May 23, 2002

Right now, I just go fishing when I have the chance. I have too many time constraints.

MakoMike

· #6 · May 23, 2002

Al,
Wind is always an issue, If its too rough I don't want to be out there! Inshore tide is an issue, you can'y bottom fish at the porgy hump if the tide is running and you can't catch stripers there at slack, same goes for lots of other places. Offshore, Temp. is the big issue, water temp that is. Find a five degree break right on the edge and you'll get into fish.

rob.t

· #7 · May 23, 2002

I get the least fish with the east wind not to mention I hate to fish tide against wind. With 3 kids a bad day fishing isnt so bad. Except for strong winds above 20mph. not worth it to me. But you can always fish the otherside of the Island. Temp. doesnt matter to me. Except for water temps.

BD001

· #8 · May 23, 2002

Winf/Tide/Temp

Just like everything else, it all depends.

A good tide is almost always necessary when drifting. Wind against tide is the worst possible condition, not only is it snotty but it kills the drift.
Certain spots are better on the flood and others on the ebb.

When chunking on the N. Fork, I try to anchor at slack and fish the first couple hours of the tide.

On a slow tide, I adjust the way I fish.

We could spend hours on this...

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gottog

· #9 · May 23, 2002

As others have stated, I go fishing when I can. Usually it's limited to weekends. I'm not afraid of getting wet or a lil chop, but also don't want to be miserable while trying to enjoy my favorite pasttime.
I ususally have to pick a day that's available to me, THEN worry about wind/tide/etc. Of course those conditions have much influence of which species I will try to fool and what tactics I will employ to accomplish that...ok, so all it means is that I'll use a heavier sinker if the wind is really blowing HAHAHA
Seriously, they are very important things to consider, but if the conditions aren't perfect then its just more of a challenge.
Overall, I LUV the incoming tide or the first hour and a half of the outgoing.

Capt. NanSea

· #10 · May 23, 2002

I look for patterns and will look to try and repeat them e.g. 1st two hours of outgoing water for Stripers in the fall... If thats the pattern, I'll start fishing for them an hour later each night. Though if you can only get out at certain times tide stage be dammned.

As for wind, East is Least (desireable) but I make due with what you can. For offshore (sea condition) it is a primary factor.

Water temp when offshore, if I see the change shift a few degrees, thats where we start.

togmaster

· #11 · May 23, 2002

bad question

This is a question that cannot be answered ? If you wreck fish and you have to anchor, and you got wind into tide any idiot knows you got a problem. If your tuna fishing or shark fishing and you got 55 deg. water your out a luck, So as you can see the question is weak it needs more direction. Every element you mentioned will effect all diffrent spieces of fish! And can also effect the diffrence between catching and jerking off. I know what the elements are before I burn the fuel that is a rule of thumb! http://home.earthlink.net/~steven0010/

613033

· #12 · May 23, 2002

Conditions

WIND with the same flow/direction of the tide drifting rips for stripers. Heaven!

I like any moving tide , wether it be incoming or outgoing certainly dictates where I'll head first, with wind direction being a factor. I fish the entire day (14+hrs), so we plan accordingly, read the tide charts, water temps, and plan the day's trip
prior to launch.

Air Temp, don't give a hoot....

Jay

Scalawag

· #13 · May 23, 2002

Good question & I'll tell ya why.....

Ive been targeting bass on the outgoing over the last 5 yrs. or so from what I learned from " Sharpies" { old timers }& also experienced for myself to be best ....
BUT This year Ive brought home many keepers & have caught, then released fish to 30 lbs.. maybe 25 fish or so, all inside, mostly on the incoming towards high.
It seems to have changed for reasons to ponder, alan

617280

· #14 · May 27, 2002

Al, Yes wind,tide,temp. are all a good factor but I have caught fish in certain areas on the wrong tide and of decent size. Another factor we have to consider is the type of bait the fish are feeding on. Very Impotant!!!

Captneilf

· #15 · May 27, 2002

Hi Al,

As a bay/sound fisherman I like to fish when the current starts to flow.

As a partyboat capt. I have to sail on a schedule. All I can do is take the elements and make the best of it.

Capt Neil

Crazy-Al

Discussion Starter · #16 · May 29, 2002

TogMaster wrote:
bad question
This is a question that cannot be answered ? If you wreck fish and you have to anchor, and you got wind into tide any idiot knows you got a problem. If your tuna fishing or shark fishing and you got 55 deg. water your out a luck, So as you can see the question is weak it needs more direction. Every element you mentioned will effect all diffrent spieces of fish! And can also effect the diffrence between catching and jerking off. I know what the elements are before I burn the fuel that is a rule of thumb!

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Hello TogMaster,
It may be a bad and weak question to you… But the question I asked is general enough so a sharpie can elaborate and run with the direction!

Although it may be simple to you… It is supposed to "educate" those that are not familiar with the basic elements such as tide, wind and temperature.

Since you are so knowledgeable and consider yourself a sharpie… Why don't you explain why a wreck fisherman would have a problem with wind against tide. Are you saying a fisherman should not venture out? Does that mean the fish are not going to bite? Or does that mean that it's going to be tough fishing?

Also, I am sure a few would be interested to know why 55 deg. water temperature would be bad for those feisty pelagic critters. Perhaps you can elaborate about the warm water temperature break… and what does that mean to the fish.

Hope you get my drift (no pun intended), So, let me ask the question again….

For the sharpies out there…
When you plan your killer fishing trip…
How important is TIDE, WIND and TEMP.?

The obvious answer should be …"It's VERY important"… but I expect an explanation so everyone can learn from it.

Tight Lines and may the wind be on your back, the tide be just right and the temperature be warm enough for you and the fish.

"Crazy" Alberto
[email protected]

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621033

· #17 · Jun 2, 2002

Al

I love to get out anytime I can but like you said planing the Killer trip now you got to think. First is tide when and where I'm going to start has all to with the tide I have my incoming spots and out going. Next will be the wind direction and speed they play an important part in my plans I like wind in my face at some spot's. There's also spots I'll run to for wind at my back and an out going tide. Temp I never really pay much attention to temp

togmaster

· #18 · Jun 2, 2002

Misunderstanding?

I didn't mean it is a bad question the way it was asked needs a better direction is all I?m' saying. And yes they are the key points to make or breaking a fishing trip. But if the question was phrased well it would and could go in a more positive way that is all I was saying I apologize if I came across wrong and agree on how important these elements are.

But If you break it down into the type of fishing your doing verses overall I think it would be a better question that is my only point, and opinion I again I?m sorry!

On a quick note wind into tide. When anchoring on a piece of bottom sometimes it is very crucial for the position of the boat to be 100% correct. Having a wind into tide hampers this in many ways. Another key element is the bite. While fishing the lines will run up to the bow of the boat causing bites to be UN felt and fished getting caught in the prop. I have seen good bites while tog fish not struck at because the current going in the opposite direction makes the bit seem weak. As far as Temp?s they are my key to offshore fishing as well as water color. After 25 yrs of Tuna, Marlin , Sharks and other species I find that water, bait and color are the 3 keys to the heavens. I remember in 1995 it was like June 1st and nobody was in the canyon when I found a eddy that went from 64.5 degs to 71 degs. I tried for like 2 hrs. Not a bite or bait. Just when I was ready to give up I saw a blue to green break with a temp break of 7 Degs. Funny I fished the warm side of the break and still nothing. Then I decided to try the cold side and bam 22 Yellows. So I myself learned a valuable lesson to share with all. And as I said again I didn?t mean to bash your post. Keep up the good work Al Tight lines.
http://home.earthlink.net/~steven0010/

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oneon

· #19 · Jun 2, 2002

match the hatch

Tide for me is the most important thing. Second has to be bait, what?s in the water? Well the same thing that?s swimming in the water should be on your line. Third, don?t fish where everyone else is, even if that?s the hot spot and that?s where the fish are coming up. You probably won't have to go too far to be bailing fish all by your self. Use your brain as well as your gut instinct.
Who am I...I am not sharp, if i was i wouldnt be here, but I bet I out fish you! 20 years of fishing daily will do that to you. Have fun, eat well, throw back what you can't use un harmed.

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612387

· #20 · Jun 3, 2002

ahhh... a question that can't be answered? tough considering it is the entire island that the question is posted to. I fish out of Massapequa and will give what i look for when targeting bass, weaks and fluke.
Wind: Can always be avoided by working different sides of the bay. Southeast/east is tough, i avoid it if it's over 15 knots.
Tide: From July to the fall run, tops of the tide rules. No bones about it. Earlier in the year i'll fish the bottom for the warmer temps. But weed can be a problem. Debate it if you but top of the tide is King.
Morning/Evening: for weaks and bass are the best, generally. Fluke as long as there's light. Wind with the tide is best.
Moon: Avoid the full/new for fluke and weaks. The few days on either side for bass are best
High presure/low pressure: Who follows this? Not bad for fluke but spring/summer, bass/weaks avoid the high. In the fall look for it with a NW wind.
It is a borderline impossible question but for the beginners out there pick a few things out of each post and make your own opinion. However if you're in Massapequa...Early morning outgoing with a light wind rules.

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