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I am new to bucktailing for fluke. I usually just fish with pre-tied rigs or rigs i make myself. I was wondering what the best types of bucktails to use are? I would like to buy them from the store. Up to 3oz bucktails. Ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Deleted by Lep - what the heck happened here?

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Ya'll must be new in town pardner.

Lucky for you we've beat this subject to death all Winter and I have thoughtfully found the key thread that has links to all the other threads.

Go here and then open up all the linked threads on my post (The 9th one in line):

Plenty 'o Fluke Jiggin' Stuff.

Enjoy.

rgds, Leprechaun
 

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Do yourself a favor and go to Combs in Amityville and buy whats called Terminators you can get either rigs or individual jigs have had great success using them bucktailing fluke is loads of fun they seem more aggressive as opposed to bait fishing for them.
 

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I fish Moriches Bay allot (very shallow)but it really doesn't matter where you fish my question is how do you keep a 1/2 oz bucktail near the bottom when drifting. I've found you have to let out an awefull lot of line to keep it down in the zone. Does anyone fish small bucktails off a 3 way for Fluke? I've done this for Bass on charters using 3oz bucktails with a 3' leader on a three way with 10oz of lead to keep it near the bottom. When fishing ocean waters in 70+' is this how you keep a bucktasil on the bottom? Even silver bullets need to be bigger than 6 oz on occasion (current/wind).
 

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Loonzter - That's correct - we carry up to 10oz Silver Bullets on my boat, but in reality we've never had to go above an 8, and that was on some really bad days. Stick with the 20 or 30lb Powerpro or Tuffline braids and you can hang in there and effectively fish out in the deep despite winds over 20kts. Not too much water resistance to those lines and this will help keep your lures down on the bottom, even in 90' of water. And don't worry about using too large a ball.

Its a trip to see a shorty fluke come up with an 8oz ball in its mouth. These fish appear to have no problem belting those big balls. No matter how big a ball you put on, profile-wise its still WAY smaller than a 6" squid, if you think about it. And actually, the overwhelming majority of the fish on my boat come up on the teaser not the ball anyway.

In truth - this style of fishing in big wind offshore also has alot to do with the type boat you have. My own boat is an inboard with a low-lying cuddy cabin/canvas setup and a fairly deep keel, so the tide not the wind is the determinant as to my drift speed.

My buddy has a Grady 25 and he finds that when the wind is honkin' he has a difficult time keeping his lures/baits on the bottom because he gets wind-driven too fast. A bit too much "Sail" on his Sailfish for this type fishing. Of course this cuts the other way too. On those mid-Summer light-wind days, he moves right along and I sit there pulling skates, so as far as the type of boat, its all a trade-off.

If you follow the links in that first post of mine up there, you will come to a thread in which I gave a good description of the rig we've scienced out for this application and it is just deadly. I would steer clear of any 3-way
setups with 3' leads - too much potential to tangle and twist with those lovely skates that love to spin in nice tight circles on the way up.

Spending more time fishing and less time untagling is my motto. I'm a big believer in the K.I.S.S. principle.

This deep-water stuff is kinda a new style of fishing up here on Long Island, prior to the season before last, I really can't remember seeing too many boats drifting fluke in 80' of water. But if you apply some of the tips from this board, you will find this type fishing **** productive. Last season I don't believe I had a trip without a fish over 5lbs on the boat. Most of our August trips regularly saw limits with quite a few fish over 6 and we had them up to better than 9lbs.

Now of course I would much prefer to catch fluke up in the nice calm shallow bay, but its kinda tough on weekends, what with the jet skiers, the muscle-heads in their muscle boats and the endless parade of weekend boats flying around. Not to mention the endless catch and release of 16.99" shorties.

This is why many serious flukers have been driven to go deep and that fishing has turned out to be pretty darn productive, once we developed tackle and rigs suited to this specialized type of fishing.

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The first thing you need to make sure is that your line is the right Lb. test very light 6 to 8 Lb. for 1/2 oz. bucktail or one of the braided lines small diameter is what we're looking for. Then you want to control your drift you might want to buy a drogue or sea anchor to help slow your drift you definitely do not want that bucktail to drift out the way you describe you want to fish it as straight up and down from the boat as possible, if it starts to get away from you reel up and start over again. As for jigging fluke try a short rapid motion you don't want the jig much off the bottom just dance it where MR. fluke is, hope this helps.
 

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Bottombouncer,
Before you use any bucktail, try a silver bullet for fluking. Even though I still like to fish fluke in conventional way, I got to admit that the silver bullet revolutionized fluke fishing. The Cape Cod bay you fish is not an exception. I experimented with a silver bullet out of Provincetown for many years with an excellent result.
In Hyannis, many fishermen are using only silver bullet for fluking. Two years ago I brought a beginner, who never caught a fluke before, on a fluke charter boat out of Hyannis. I gave him a 3 oz silver bullet and asked him to bounce off the bottom. You guess what. He outfished everybody on the boat.
You can get a lot of good information on the silver bullet(ball) from other threads. Use a lighter silver bullet as long as you can hold bottom.
 

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Loonz - The Lima Bean sink faster and stay down better than the other shaped bucktails, but if you are letting out too much line, maybe step and use a 3/4oz, or a 1oz. Cast up current, bounce it all the way along as the boat drifts, once it gets too far away, reel up and repeat. I do this only in shallow water less than 20 feet.

What's the big deal if you need to use a larger jig?
 

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loonzter , If your looking to fish just a wieghted bucktail in the shallow water of Moriches Bay you can't just use one type of wieghted jig 1/2oz as you metioned .

This method can be very productive and alot of fun .

With the changes of the tide and currents you need a varity of different wieghted and colored jigs .

Switch up til you find the right wieght that lets you get down without having to let out to much line .

When you find the right wieght to use you'll find it don't have to drag on the bottom . That you don't want to do .

Get that jig to work for you by adjusting . Let it down so it just touches the bottom , then work it up and down so it comes off the bottom and right back down as you drift but don't drag .

When the current dies down go lighter . When it picks up go with more wieght . Change with the conditions . change colors til you find whats most productive .

If the current is ripping you might have to give up on just fishing a bucktail or work a different area out of the wind or less current .

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BB- I agree with Kilsong -try the fluke bullets around Ptown. Last June on the Cee Jay I was wackin em with them while the rest of the boat just picked. Needless to say I was the most popular person on board when I started to open my tackle box and hand out the bullets I fish a single fluke bullet - no teaser-to much drag(most of the guys I fish with use a plastic squid teaser a few feet behind the bullet). Tip with squid and spearing or a sand eel. My best color has been green (white is good too) for the bucktail. In Ptown Harbor you can fish as little as 1oz and if the wind if crankin go up to 3. 2 oz is good overall. Also- the bullet features a free swinging hook -not a fixed one like the bucktail- the free swinging hook does not let the fish get leverage to pry itself loose.
PS- try fishing from the dropoff to the 60' hole near the wreck inside the harbor.
 

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How is the fishing on the CeeJay? I used to stay in Truro for a week in June many years in the row and tried to get out on the boat several times, but found it's schedule somewhat irregular; ie. if I wasn't tired from playing cards all night or it wasn't a good beach day, they never seemed to have a convenient trip..... Would end up on a whale watch or a booze/sailing cruise instead. Always wanted to try them though.

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SM- The Cee Jay runs 1/2 day trips for flounder and fluke from Mid May throught he summer. Thye also have some evening adults only jigging trips.Its a small slow boat so he is pretty much limited to the harbor and around long point and down to Pamet. The captian is a good guy who tries hard to put fish in the boat. If the fluking is slow he'll hand out diamond jigs and fish for blues/stripers or anchor in a deep hole and fish for flounder. He knows the harbor real well so if there are fish to be caught he wil get them .The trips I have taken range from slow to excellent on the Cee Jay. I just wish one of the boats up there would run from Stellwagen Bank trips - its so **** close - I mean you could do two 6 hr trips in a day an get plenty of fish -and make plenty of money. I have s/w the Capt of the Cee JAy about this but I think he is content with the set up he has now. There are so many Whale Watch boats in the harbor that sit idle during the week in May- they could easily do Stellwagen trips. PS - if you go fluking on the cee jay bring your own rigs or bullets as the ones they have are real heavy. I am still waitng to see what week this year the family will get the house up in Truro.
 

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I got into the Fluke Bullets several years back when my fishing buddy spanked me with a 3 to 1 catch advantage while using them. Didn't take me long to become a believer. I responded to this thread because before they became popular I'd been fishing bucktails sweetened with squid or spearing but found it tough to keep a small one (1/2 - 1)in the strike zone. When using conventional bait rigs with squid and spearing/killies I needed at least 2 oz to be able to bounce the bottom. I was wondering if anyone used the 3 way rig while Fluking bucktails? I use micro braid on just about every one of my rigs. A true Fireline fan I'm giving Power pro a shot this year. I picked up a nice 'Grant' graphite rod (7' M-H) at the Rockland show a few years back and matched it with a Shimano Corsair 400, never thought much of the Corsair (to much plastic) but I got a price I couldn't resist and am really pleased with how smooth it functions. It's a great setup for Fluke! Last year it seemed the larger Fluke were in the ocean around 70-80', 5oz bullets were just about getting the job done, many time 6 or higher were needed and on those days it was best for my small boat to stay in the bay anyway. I purchased a bunch of Bullets (3-8oz)from J&H without hooks which I'll put on myself. I tyed bucktail to several hooks over the winter just for this purpose. All we need now is for the Fluke to show up! looking forward to it. Thanks for the responces and heres to a fishing season full of fight and fun! Tight Lines
 
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