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As we all know the baittail is by far one of the best lures know to man kind!
Bingle lures was bought out by another company and the qualitiy of these bait tails are not as good. Mainly the tubing is not as good as the old stuff.
I have made my own being I use about 500 lures a season. Guys these are the best Weakies lure there is. there were days when guys right next to me would watch me catch 1 after the other and they wouldn't even get a bite?
In the picture I show some of the older S+G heads which were from the late 60's early 70's Enjoy http://home.earthlink.net/~steven0010/
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Togmaster,
Looks to me like you've really got the hang of it with those tails & jig heads.

And I will never understand why lure companies try to cut costs by cutting quality (like you mentioned about the tubes)...in the end they just cost themselves customers. :( What fisherman wants to use a lure that no longer has the action it had when it first came out? They just don't seem to get it.

Well, in the end it just means more people end up making their own stuff so what the heck...? More and more it seems that with commercially made lures you either have to mortgage the house to afford them or the quality's just not there.

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getting tubing

Yes Jerry it is true if you want stuff today you have to do it yourself.
The tubing took me sometime to find but there are companies out there that have the good tubing if you pay for it.
Also on another note, the company STORM which is owned by Kmart? Makes a paddle tail with the jig head inside the best color around here is the mullet and bunker. I have used these down in Fla. this week and caught Amberjack Grouper and had Barracuda chase them . My friend who has been catching bass in the river is killing the fish with them.
The 5" mullet paddle by strom if you do not own them get them. By the way they are sold out on the whole east coast from maine to Fla!!!!! in the mullet and bunker color. Guess its not that big a secret anymore?
My next project is to make these if possible? Any Ideas? Email me if so?
 

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TogMaster,

You mentioned a slackening in quality.
I'm curious as to what you saw as being the differance. Was it the material itself, thickness? What makes a good
tube a good tube? Just wanting to know
what to look for as a newbie.

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chummed,
Dunno what tog' ran across when he was looking at tubes but I do a lot of tube 'n worming & it's a chore to find good tubes for that...I want them to have a good, elastic feel, with fairly thick walls, firm but flexible...hard to describe but you can tell quickly by touch...lots of times I run across brittle, stiff, unsresponsive tubes...or else they're so thin you know the 2nd or 3rd fish & they'll be in tatters...also, you have to look close at the hardware...some of that is either flimsy or the sinker head slides all around the mouth of the tube 'cause it didn't fit in the first place...there's a fella up here in Mass. that makes 'em for a lot of shops & I try to find his 'cause they're really quality items...

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right tubes

Chummed, Jerry said it right on the head.
Cheaper tubing has diffrent walls and thickness. There are 3 sizes to tubing
Diam. outside wall ,thickness inside diam., and inside wall, which is the most important being this gives the tubing the streght to hold its shape, and also the fish wont rip it up after many bites. The size tube I perfer, and made my heads to fit are 5/16" X 5/64" X1/2" I.d x wall x O.D
I can use them over and over without a single loss of tubing from fish Strikes.
I used to commercially fish in the 80's and would catch hundreds of srtipers a day on these . The secret is to let them hit the bottom and reel slow and letting them stay down low. hope this helped you good luck and catch them up .
 

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After Many emails on the baittails here is a history on them and how they work ! Use this knowledge well guys!!
: For us guys from who commercially fished for bass, and weakfish, the Bait Tail, next to the diamond jig, is probably the best all around lure for the bight. And unlike the diamond jig, the bait tail will catch fish at night.
For the last 20-25 years or so, the most popular makers of these lures were Don Bingle, and Gary Goldberg & Bob Sparta, of S&G lures. Also Al Rhindfelder was the inventor of these. He died in a Canoe accident in Del. Their heads by far fished the best due to their well balanced design, and the way in which the rubber was cut. I have used Sekora baitails, and must say, that their rubber and the way it is cut, is not as good as Bingles or S&G. Period.

Their are some variations of the heads, but the basic design is still the same, with either a Mustad 34184/5 or 91750/ST hook inserted in the leadhead weighted from less then a half ounce upto 3 ounces. The tails were specially cut with either a long clothing shears, or a special tool that is made by craftsman and sold at Sears. (Blades must be extra sharp when cutting the rubber)..two things are critical with the making of the bait tail...one is the balance of the lure, and the second which is as, or more important, is the correct cutting of the tubing. Tubing has to be used that comes from straight rolls, not the curved stuffed that you seem packed...a tube must be cut that is straight, with as little as possible curling at the ends, and, where the end of the tube runs up to the base near the bottom of the hook...tubing comes in different sizes ranging from 3/16, 5/16, 3/8 and 1/2, with the smaller sizes the most popular. The best color by far was what we called devold' which was slightly darker then the natural color we see...the second best was a shade of green that worked incredible in the fall, especially when fishing in the river for bass (Battery and East River). Black, white, wines , dark red and purple also work but natural seems to outfish them all. Heads do not have to be painted, but can be, with either a white or yellow base, with black eyes with a red smile.


The bait tail is to be worked by casting it out and very slowly retrieving it along the bottom...it also can be fished straight up and down in a jigging motion, with a slow lift and drop. The bait tail works incredibly well for king mackeral, with a light trace of light coffee colored wire in sizes 2 through 4 when fishing it on top. Use heavier wire from #5-8 when bluefish are scattered around...Down in the Florida Keys, bait tails, work incredibly well fishing off the bridges for tarpon and snook. They can be cranked at mid level or on top, and work very well at night for all species. You can even cast a light bait tail out and skip it along the top for false albacore.

Thanks to Capt. Mike, who made up a spread of the different heads we make and use. Anyone who comes over my house can see about 20 different heads in different weights and tails for use during the year....here are just a few........
This was a article My friend wrote up on my baittails for me Hope you enjoyed it and get use from it?
 

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gotta try these!

Okay

I'm convinced to give these a go up here in the NH & MA area. Probably try making some. Has anyone ever tried to
pack a little chum in the tube to leave a scent trail or is this overkill?

Thanx all for the time and input into this post.

Glen "chummed"
 

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Raven...thanks for the tip on those tubes. I picked up a couple of those last year but haven't used them enough to decide how I feel about that double hook setup. The tube is good quality, though, and I'll try to use them more this season.
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Tube for Bait tails

Hey guys I am no expert but I know alot of guys around here buy these tubes in 5' coils from a web site called www.4fishin.com I have some for a hawian sling I am making, It is tough (need a sharp blade to cut it) and has good stretch, The wall thickness I would say is 1/8". check it out I use the site regularly The pic is from their site.
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Togmaster-Wildeyes

I just was at WalMart looking for the wildeyes with my dad. We bought 3 packs of the 4" Pearls and 5 packs of the 5" Golden Mullets....

These things are the best lures I've ever seen, and felt... My dad straightout said they are the most real he's seen in awhile.
 

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Middle Island Wal-Mart has lots of the Golden Mullet in 5"..... Sorry for not disclosing that before!

I tried ordering the Bunker in 5" from Basspro.com, but they're out of stock. Gonna call Cabela's tomorrow and see if they have any in stock. Or might have to his Centereach Wal-Mart and see if they have anything left.
 

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Middle Island Wal-Mart has lots of the Golden Mullet in 5"..... Sorry for not disclosing that before!

I tried ordering the Bunker in 5" from Basspro.com, but they're out of stock. Gonna call Cabela's tomorrow and see if they have any in stock. Or might have to his Centereach Wal-Mart and see if they have anything left.
 

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Balance is important

No Doc you cannot use a strip or any other bait on the hook. If you read my post on the way a bait tail works Balance is the most important fact here. By putting on any object you would throw off the center of Bal. causing the baittal to list back. When seen in the water the baittail should be on a 90% angle to the line it is tied to . That is why a good made bait tail will be weighted perfectly so the line is 90% from the main line. This has everything to do with the presentation and action of the baittail. good secrect. This lure is used in many diffrent actions!
I will list the fishing tactics below for diffrent spiecs I have caught with them.
1)Bass + Weak's, You must let the lure hit the bottom and slowly retrive dragging the bottom. once you are straight up and down re cast. If there are weeds in the water or grass put it away it is useless
2) Blues: Fast retrive or slow retrive work s with blues you need to keep trying till you find the right action.
3) Tarpon: this is a difficult Tech. It envolves keeping the lure ontop on the suface reeling real fast and (keeping it with the wave or current) It will not work uless you have the right direction.
4) Fluke yes I have caught some nice fluke on them just jigging up and down. In deeper water a slow lift and drop works well and in sallow water more of a quick jig.
5). Bontia and albies: Hit bottom or skim surface and crack that baby as fast as you can!
6: Seabass: slow jig on the bottom off the bottom will work on seabass. remember try and matchthe head of the baittail to the size of the bait in the area!
Well my fingers are tired for now hope this helps Good luck catch them up!
 
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