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So there I was, Sunday, with my burrito loving business partners selling tamales at the Lexington ave street fair Manhattan, NYC.
This business is new to me, not long ago I was working for a very prestigious company enjoying all the benefits most of you enjoy, good money for little work under pleasant surroundings, but after the present administration?s economic blunders I find myself unemployed.
Anyways, I spotted McCain supporters? handing out literature to a mostly cold unreceptive crowd who looked at them like aliens from outta space.
They seemed so outta place, more suited for the bible belt or the land of Bill O?Reily and boxing greatest heavy weight, Jerry? Mad dog? Cooney, Long Island?s pride and joy.
The hand full of McCain supporters were smack in the middle of Liberal New York City. People that wake up to The New York Times, extremely well educated, well traveled and well read.
The chances of them choosing to maintain Bush policies for the next four years is INSULTING to their INTELLIGENCE


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OK I'll bite.

So what do, (besides being Republican), John McCain's policies (or McCrack as Ed would say) have in common with GWB'S policies that would lead such well educated, well read people to the conclusion that he would maintain status quo?
 

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OK I'll bite.

So what do, (besides being Republican), John McCain's policies (or McCrack as Ed would say) have in common with GWB'S policies that would lead such well educated, well read people to the conclusion that he would maintain status quo?

Oy:rolleyes:, Don't encourage him!!
 

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PF where were you yesterday? you might have been a bigger hit than OldMud?

p.s. wasn't Jerry Cooney also known as the "Bayonne Bleeder?"
I doubt it.

No. Chuck Wepner was known as the bayonne Bleeder. Cooney was from LI. He was known as Gentelmen Jerry Cooney.

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Jerry Cooney "the bayonee bleeder" LOL

that guy was really talented , he could stop every punch with his face

I'm gonna be working the Brazilian street fair on 46 street, manhattan next sunday.
you guys are welcome to a free tamale, but you have to buy your own **** sodi pop and you gonna need it, my tamales are HOT!!!

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OK I'll bite.

So what do, (besides being Republican), John McCain's policies (or McCrack as Ed would say) have in common with GWB'S policies that would lead such well educated, well read people to the conclusion that he would maintain status quo?

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Democrats say that electing John McCain would bring the equivalent of a third Bush term, while Republicans say these charges are just political spin. Here is where Mr. McCain and Mr. Bush stand on key issues. (Related Article)

Where They Mostly Agree

Abortion and Judges


Both men oppose use of federal money for abortions, including aid to groups that help women obtain them. Both support the ban on Partial-Birth Abortion Act of 2003 and parental notification for minors. Mr. McCain says Roe v. Wade ?should be overturned,? altering his 1999 stand, and says he would appoint Supreme Court justices who ?strictly interpret the Constitution.? He voted for both of Mr. Bush?s picks to the court. Mr. Bush has not publicly called for repealing Roe.

Education

Mr. McCain generally supports No Child Left Behind, Mr. Bush?s signature education policy. Calling it a ?good beginning,? he has said, ?there?s a lot of things that need to be fixed? about it. Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a McCain adviser, has said ?the law needs to start addressing the underlying cultural problems in our education system.?

Diplomacy With Iran and Syria

Like the president, Mr. McCain has ruled out direct talks with Iran and Syria for now. Mr. McCain supported Mr. Bush when he likened those who would negotiate with ?terrorists and radicals? to appeasers of the Nazis, a remark widely interpreted as a rebuke to Senator Barack Obama.

Immigration

Mr. McCain supported a 2007 bill, strongly backed by Mr. Bush, that called for establishing a guest-worker program and setting up a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. He sponsored a similar bill in 2006 but this year he said he would not vote for his own proposal now. ?Only after we achieved widespread consensus that our borders are secure, would we address other aspects of the problem in a way that defends the rule of law,? he said in February.
Iraq

Mr. McCain supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003 but strongly criticized the Bush administration?s handling of the war in the first four years. He was a vocal advocate of the troop increase strategy, eventually adopted by the president, and has supported Mr. Bush in resisting calls for a withdrawal timetable. Last month, Mr. McCain said he believed the war could be won by 2013; but this month he said a timetable was ?not too important,? in comparison with the level of casualties in Iraq.

Guantánamo Detainees

Mr. McCain was a key backer of the 2006 legislation that allowed detainees to be tried in military courts and abolished habeas corpus rights for detainees labeled ?enemy combatants? by the administration. He would close the Guantánamo prison and move prisoners to a maximum-security military prison in Fort Leavenworth, Kan.

Health Care

Mr. McCain?s proposal to eliminate tax breaks that encourage employers to provide health insurance for their workers is very similar to one that Mr. Bush pushed last year, to little effect. The Bush plan offered a $15,000 tax deduction for families buying their own insurance, while the McCain plan would give a refundable tax credit of $5,000 to families for insurance whether or not they pay taxes. Both men opposed a 2007 bill to expand a children?s health insurance program for lower- and middle-income families.
Medicare

Both support having wealthier Medicare recipients pay higher premiums for prescription drug coverage. In 2003, Mr. McCain voted against the bill that added a prescription drug benefit to Medicare.

Social Security

?I?m totally in favor of personal savings accounts,? he told The Wall Street Journal in March, ?along the lines that President Bush proposed.? Mr. Bush did not find enough support in Congress for his proposal to allow workers to divert a portion of Social Security payroll taxes into personal investment accounts in exchange for reduced guaranteed benefits.

Same-Sex Marriage

Mr. Bush supported a constitutional amendment to ban such marriages, but Mr. McCain voted against it, saying states should enact such bans. He said he would consider a constitutional ban if ?a higher court says that my state or another state has to recognize? same-sex marriages.

Civil Unions Both would leave the matter to the states. Mr. Bush said in 2004 that he would not ?deny people rights to a civil union? if a state chose to legalize it. Mr. McCain supported a 2005 initiative in his own state, Arizona, that would have blocked civil unions and domestic partnerships. Last month he said that ?people should be able to enter into legal agreements? for things like insurance and power of attorney.

Taxes

Mr. McCain would make permanent the large Bush tax cuts he opposed in 2001 and 2003. He has also proposed four new tax cuts of his own: a reduction in the corporate tax rate, immediate tax breaks for corporate investment, a repeal of the alternative minimum tax and doubling the value of exemptions for dependents to $7,000 from $3,500.
Trade

Both are proponents of free trade and support opening up markets with Colombia, Panama and South Korea. They also support education programs to help displaced workers.
Wiretapping and Executive Power

Mr. Holtz-Eakin, a top adviser to Mr. McCain, said last week that Mr. McCain believes that the Constitution gave Mr. Bush the power to authorize the National Security Agency to monitor Americans? international phone calls and e-mail without warrants, despite a federal statute that required court oversight. When Mr. McCain was asked about the same issue in January, he had said: ?I don?t think the president has the right to disobey any law.?

Where They Mostly Disagree

Climate Change


Unlike Mr. Bush, Mr. McCain supports a cap-and-trade program that would set a national ceiling on carbon emissions. Although critical of the Bush administration?s lack of initiatives on the climate, Mr. McCain has said that ?America did the right thing by not joining the Kyoto Treaty? and that any such global accord should include China and India, an argument used by Mr. Bush.

Energy and Oil

Mr. McCain has called for a ?great national campaign to put us on a course to energy independence,? adding that the next president must be willing to ?break completely? with the energy policies of previous administrations.

Drilling Mr. McCain opposes drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, once a top goal for Mr. Bush. On Monday, Mr. McCain said the federal ban on offshore drilling should be lifted, allowing states to pursue energy exploration off their coasts. The Bush administration has proposed drilling off the coasts in several states.

Tax Breaks Mr. Bush opposes a windfall profits tax on oil companies. Mr. McCain has voted against similar taxes in the past, but this month he said he was ?angry at the oil companies not only because of the obscene profits they?ve made but at their failure to invest in alternate energy.?

Renewable Energy Both support development of more nuclear power. Last month, Mr. McCain urged the Bush administration to waive requirements for high ethanol production, blaming the alternative fuel for driving up food prices.

Federal Spending

Mr. McCain has sought to emphasize his differences with Mr. Bush by portraying himself as a stronger opponent of pork-barrel projects and other wasteful spending. He says he would not sign any earmarked projects into law and would cut financing for ineffective programs, including Amtrak. Mr. Bush has so far allowed earmarks in spending bills, but signed an executive order this year directing federal agencies to ignore earmarks that Congress did not vote on. Mr. McCain would also put a one-year freeze on discretionary spending, except veterans benefits and the military. Mr. Bush has had a similar freeze in place.

Interrogation Tactics

Mr. McCain has battled the Bush administration on a number of bills to end torture by the U.S. But this year he voted against a bill to force the Central Intelligence Agency to abide by the rules set out in the Army field manual on interrogation. He said that a 2005 law he helped pass already prohibits the C.I.A. from ?cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment.? But the same law gives the president the last word in establishing specific permissible interrogation techniques. The Bush administration has not ruled out waterboarding, considered illegal by Mr. McCain, as impermissible.

Arms Control

Mr. McCain, distancing himself from Mr. Bush, said he would pursue a new arms control accord with Russia. His proposal to eliminate tactical nuclear weapons in Europe and his calls for nuclear talks with China set him apart from the president as well. Last month, Mr. McCain urged Mr. Bush to return to his demand for a complete and irreversible disarmament of North Korea?s nuclear programs. The Bush administration recently began relying on diplomacy to persuade North Korea to begin dismantling its nuclear program.
 

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I?m not a very political wet back, I sell tamales for a living, but I will tell you this, compared to McCain, Bush seems like a leveled headed diplomat.
I get the feeling Mr. McCain is got one very, very short fuse, ready to nuke the **** outta any country that p--is him off. I rather see Bush controlling them thar buttons.
Even Mrs., McCain seems terrified of him but don?t listen to me, all I know is how to make tamales
Another thing, for the last 5 months I wake up hoping Mr. McCain's number one economics advisor is correct, that my unemployed situation is all in my mind and I'm just LOCO in the cabeza.


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Tizod wrote:
FredyFluke wrote:
OK I'll bite.

So what do, (besides being Republican), John McCain's policies (or McCrack as Ed would say) have in common with GWB'S policies that would lead such well educated, well read people to the conclusion that he would maintain status quo?

Source
Democrats say that electing John McCain would bring the equivalent of a third Bush term, while Republicans say these charges are just political spin. Here is where Mr. McCain and Mr. Bush stand on key issues. (Related Article)

Where They Mostly Agree

Abortion and Judges


Both men oppose use of federal money for abortions, including aid to groups that help women obtain them. Both support the ban on Partial-Birth Abortion Act of 2003 and parental notification for minors. Mr. McCain says Roe v. Wade ?should be overturned,? altering his 1999 stand, and says he would appoint Supreme Court justices who ?strictly interpret the Constitution.? He voted for both of Mr. Bush?s picks to the court. Mr. Bush has not publicly called for repealing Roe.

Education

Mr. McCain generally supports No Child Left Behind, Mr. Bush?s signature education policy. Calling it a ?good beginning,? he has said, ?there?s a lot of things that need to be fixed? about it. Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a McCain adviser, has said ?the law needs to start addressing the underlying cultural problems in our education system.?

Diplomacy With Iran and Syria

Like the president, Mr. McCain has ruled out direct talks with Iran and Syria for now. Mr. McCain supported Mr. Bush when he likened those who would negotiate with ?terrorists and radicals? to appeasers of the Nazis, a remark widely interpreted as a rebuke to Senator Barack Obama.

Immigration

Mr. McCain supported a 2007 bill, strongly backed by Mr. Bush, that called for establishing a guest-worker program and setting up a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. He sponsored a similar bill in 2006 but this year he said he would not vote for his own proposal now. ?Only after we achieved widespread consensus that our borders are secure, would we address other aspects of the problem in a way that defends the rule of law,? he said in February.
Iraq

Mr. McCain supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003 but strongly criticized the Bush administration?s handling of the war in the first four years. He was a vocal advocate of the troop increase strategy, eventually adopted by the president, and has supported Mr. Bush in resisting calls for a withdrawal timetable. Last month, Mr. McCain said he believed the war could be won by 2013; but this month he said a timetable was ?not too important,? in comparison with the level of casualties in Iraq.

Guantánamo Detainees

Mr. McCain was a key backer of the 2006 legislation that allowed detainees to be tried in military courts and abolished habeas corpus rights for detainees labeled ?enemy combatants? by the administration. He would close the Guantánamo prison and move prisoners to a maximum-security military prison in Fort Leavenworth, Kan.

Health Care

Mr. McCain?s proposal to eliminate tax breaks that encourage employers to provide health insurance for their workers is very similar to one that Mr. Bush pushed last year, to little effect. The Bush plan offered a $15,000 tax deduction for families buying their own insurance, while the McCain plan would give a refundable tax credit of $5,000 to families for insurance whether or not they pay taxes. Both men opposed a 2007 bill to expand a children?s health insurance program for lower- and middle-income families.
Medicare

Both support having wealthier Medicare recipients pay higher premiums for prescription drug coverage. In 2003, Mr. McCain voted against the bill that added a prescription drug benefit to Medicare.

Social Security

?I?m totally in favor of personal savings accounts,? he told The Wall Street Journal in March, ?along the lines that President Bush proposed.? Mr. Bush did not find enough support in Congress for his proposal to allow workers to divert a portion of Social Security payroll taxes into personal investment accounts in exchange for reduced guaranteed benefits.

Same-Sex Marriage

Mr. Bush supported a constitutional amendment to ban such marriages, but Mr. McCain voted against it, saying states should enact such bans. He said he would consider a constitutional ban if ?a higher court says that my state or another state has to recognize? same-sex marriages.

Civil Unions Both would leave the matter to the states. Mr. Bush said in 2004 that he would not ?deny people rights to a civil union? if a state chose to legalize it. Mr. McCain supported a 2005 initiative in his own state, Arizona, that would have blocked civil unions and domestic partnerships. Last month he said that ?people should be able to enter into legal agreements? for things like insurance and power of attorney.

Taxes

Mr. McCain would make permanent the large Bush tax cuts he opposed in 2001 and 2003. He has also proposed four new tax cuts of his own: a reduction in the corporate tax rate, immediate tax breaks for corporate investment, a repeal of the alternative minimum tax and doubling the value of exemptions for dependents to $7,000 from $3,500.
Trade

Both are proponents of free trade and support opening up markets with Colombia, Panama and South Korea. They also support education programs to help displaced workers.
Wiretapping and Executive Power

Mr. Holtz-Eakin, a top adviser to Mr. McCain, said last week that Mr. McCain believes that the Constitution gave Mr. Bush the power to authorize the National Security Agency to monitor Americans? international phone calls and e-mail without warrants, despite a federal statute that required court oversight. When Mr. McCain was asked about the same issue in January, he had said: ?I don?t think the president has the right to disobey any law.?

Where They Mostly Disagree

Climate Change


Unlike Mr. Bush, Mr. McCain supports a cap-and-trade program that would set a national ceiling on carbon emissions. Although critical of the Bush administration?s lack of initiatives on the climate, Mr. McCain has said that ?America did the right thing by not joining the Kyoto Treaty? and that any such global accord should include China and India, an argument used by Mr. Bush.

Energy and Oil

Mr. McCain has called for a ?great national campaign to put us on a course to energy independence,? adding that the next president must be willing to ?break completely? with the energy policies of previous administrations.

Drilling Mr. McCain opposes drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, once a top goal for Mr. Bush. On Monday, Mr. McCain said the federal ban on offshore drilling should be lifted, allowing states to pursue energy exploration off their coasts. The Bush administration has proposed drilling off the coasts in several states.

Tax Breaks Mr. Bush opposes a windfall profits tax on oil companies. Mr. McCain has voted against similar taxes in the past, but this month he said he was ?angry at the oil companies not only because of the obscene profits they?ve made but at their failure to invest in alternate energy.?

Renewable Energy Both support development of more nuclear power. Last month, Mr. McCain urged the Bush administration to waive requirements for high ethanol production, blaming the alternative fuel for driving up food prices.

Federal Spending

Mr. McCain has sought to emphasize his differences with Mr. Bush by portraying himself as a stronger opponent of pork-barrel projects and other wasteful spending. He says he would not sign any earmarked projects into law and would cut financing for ineffective programs, including Amtrak. Mr. Bush has so far allowed earmarks in spending bills, but signed an executive order this year directing federal agencies to ignore earmarks that Congress did not vote on. Mr. McCain would also put a one-year freeze on discretionary spending, except veterans benefits and the military. Mr. Bush has had a similar freeze in place.

Interrogation Tactics

Mr. McCain has battled the Bush administration on a number of bills to end torture by the U.S. But this year he voted against a bill to force the Central Intelligence Agency to abide by the rules set out in the Army field manual on interrogation. He said that a 2005 law he helped pass already prohibits the C.I.A. from ?cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment.? But the same law gives the president the last word in establishing specific permissible interrogation techniques. The Bush administration has not ruled out waterboarding, considered illegal by Mr. McCain, as impermissible.

Arms Control

Mr. McCain, distancing himself from Mr. Bush, said he would pursue a new arms control accord with Russia. His proposal to eliminate tactical nuclear weapons in Europe and his calls for nuclear talks with China set him apart from the president as well. Last month, Mr. McCain urged Mr. Bush to return to his demand for a complete and irreversible disarmament of North Korea?s nuclear programs. The Bush administration recently began relying on diplomacy to persuade North Korea to begin dismantling its nuclear program.

and this is seen by The Socialist Democratic Party as another Bush term, how :confused:

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaa

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I?m not a very political wet back, I sell tamales for a living, but I will tell you this, compared to McCain, Bush seems like a leveled headed diplomat.
I get the feeling Mr. McCain is got one very, very short fuse, ready to nuke the **** outta any country that p--is him off. I rather see Bush controlling them thar buttons.
Even Mrs., McCain seems terrified of him but don?t listen to me, all I know is how to make tamales
Another thing, for the last 5 months I wake up hoping Mr. McCain's number one economics advisor is correct, that my unemployed situation is all in my mind and I'm just LOCO in the cabeza.


Hey porgy you pay sales tax on those tamales you selling ?
 
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