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I just read in the news paper( NewsDay) that " Anglers going for stripers will have to get a license and pay a fee (eventually). according to the new rules... it goes on to say how starting next year, we will have to register with the goverment to fish for Striped bass


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Yep, the prospect of a federal registry of anglers, or a state saltwater fishing license has been discussed here a lot recently. Looks like it's coming soon.
 

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My understanding is that the registry is federally mandated, and that basically you have two options. The first is to let/have it under state control, this way you might have some say as to where the eventual fee revenue gets applied. The second is the Feds impose it and the fee revenue goes into the general fund (somebody else's pork barrel). Either way, it's gonna happen.

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RichTrox wrote:
My understanding is that the registry is federally mandated, and that basically you have two options. The first is to let/have it under state control, this way you might have some say as to where the eventual fee revenue gets applied. The second is the Feds impose it and the fee revenue goes into the general fund (somebody else's pork barrel). Either way, it's gonna happen.

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The feds have to create the database, the $64 question is where do they get the data. They have been instructed ( in the law) to work with states that have a saltwater license to get the data, but, so far, NMFS/NOAA fisheries has said that NONE of the states have a license system that will give them the data they need. If the feds decide to collect thier own data by making anglers register, then it will be (by law) free until 2011. After that it may or may not be free depending on what Congress decides. In any event, the feds can only make you register if you are fishing in federal water, they have no control over what goes on in state waters, and given the fact that you can only fish for stripers in state water nothing they do will affect striper fishing.

As far as the states go, some will probably use this as an excuse to adopt their own saltwater license, some may opt not to and at least one state, RI, cannot impose a saltwater license. what the feds will do when a state can't or elects not to enact a saltwater license is a total unkown at this point.

As for any costs to run the federal system and how they will be recovered after 2011, the feds could impose a fee on all anglers who fish in federal waters, even if they have a state license, or it could be funded out of the general revenue of the U.S. or it could be paid for by an appropriation out of the dingle-johnson sport fishing fund ( paid for by the excise tax on tackle). Those are at least some of the options that will be considered.
 

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WetDreamz wrote:
I just read in the news paper( NewsDay) that " Anglers going for stripers will have to get a license and pay a fee (eventually). according to the new rules... it goes on to say how starting next year, we will have to register with the goverment to fish for Striped bass

The way i heard it it would only apply to federal waters.
 

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TOO MANY LICENSE AND FEES

The state will probally end up with the license for the first few years. I hope they dont regulate it like the NYS Dept of Parks where you need a separate license or pass for each Park.
 

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I think you are wrong Mike. It applys to fishing for bass in state waters the Goverment fee $15- $25 in 2011
Willie

Federal license is to fish in federal waters. Can't fish for striped bass in federal waters. Ergo no federal license to fish for striped bass.
 

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Throw the Dongan Patent into the mix for residents of Southampton and Easthampton Townships. We get to do some things in Town waters (churn razor and steamer clams) that would get you arrested in State waters, I wonder what that would do to a saltwater license?
 

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Why do I have to pay for the use of something the gov't both state and Fed are holding in trust for my use (the right to the water) After all do my taxes not already pay for the use of the water (both fed and state)


Another good point to be made, How much money will be made by ticketing teh illegals for not having a license

OH yeah that's right - the cops won't bother with them, cause they won't be able to pay teh fine anyway - so we are doubly screwed, still have illegals keeping short out of season fish without a license and a poor schmuck like me who abides by the rules (most of the time) will have toi pay for a license - screw tehm - you wanna know what I caught teh last two years I've been out - ask me for my log.

I refuse to pay for something I'm paying for already


**** Gov't can't live without it - Don't they have something better to worry about - OH ! like winning a war, HUM, where are their priorities

Maybe Hill and Barack and John, should actually do some work in the Senate instead of lying to me for almost 2 years

Enough - no more ranting

Thanks for letting me rant
 

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the federal registry is going to happen whether we like it or not. by law the state has to have it into action or the feds will take over in 2011. the only arguement we have is to to keep it state run so it does not end up in a general fund and lost forever.
 

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Who is this guy Gordan Colvin?

Gordon (Biggie-Smalls) Colvin was the Director, NYSDEC Bureau of Marine Resources for a period of 25 years and is responsible for destroying the fishing community ('Fishermen-Cleansing') in this state. He was at odds with the commercial fishing community for years, especially when it came to size and bag limits on striped bass, and did little to support the recreational fishing industry, while not caring about building a better artificial reef system for NYS anglers, and most of all, giving up our share of the fisheries to other states.

Thankfully he is now a Chair/Director I believe with the NMFS Office of Science and Technology. When he left the NYS DEC, there was a collective cheer by many in this states fishing industry. In another thread, a number of people chimed in on how happy they were in hearing of his departure.

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as if the money going to new york state is any better than the federal government
both are giant black holes

how's the green island fishing pier going? what about those subway cars used or reefs? reperation payments from companies busted for illegal dumping? how's the conservation of the water anyway?nys is doing a great job!!!

why is libba fighting so hard for fishing rights
we're being pushed out by people with beach front property and freinds in high [laces...or should i say really low places...making pacts with the devil...oh..sorry...state assembly people! - i don't want to offend them...

what's the difference you pay taxes and fees for everything....
who is going to notice another tax for a recreation...you don't really notice the taxes on alcohol, cigarettes, etc.
soon you'll be taxed for bedroom recreation...

there may need to be a fishing protest in albany...
a line of people in their waders casting bunker snags at the capitol building...i undersand the need to properly estimate the fishing take...and how it needs to be a conservative effort on the recreational and commercial side to protect what is rightfully everyone's to use...but....
 

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Biggie Smalls

EC wrote:
Gordon (Biggie-Smalls) Colvin was the Director, NYSDEC Bureau of Marine Resources for a period of 25 years and is responsible for destroying the fishing community ('Fishermen-Cleansing') in this state. He was at odds with the commercial fishing community for years, especially when it came to size and bag limits on striped bass, and did little to support the recreational fishing industry, while not caring about building a better artificial reef system for NYS anglers, and most of all, giving up our share of the fisheries to other states.

Thankfully he is now a Chair/Director I believe with the NMFS Office of Science and Technology. When he left the NYS DEC, there was a collective cheer by many in this states fishing industry. In another thread, a number of people chimed in on how happy they were in hearing of his departure.

That's the nicest nick name I've ever heard for him;)
 

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Saltedcod,
I am 100% with you!!!! That makes two of us. Permits, licenses and user fees, I've had it. As a native New Yorker and resident of Long Island for over 45 years, we have gotten taken over the hurdles as far as living expenses and taxes. No more user fees, licenses or other disguised ways to empty the pockets of blue collar Americans.
Enough is enough!!!!!
MSA, LIBBA and every Club guy can tell me how great this is going to be for fishing, I don't buy it! I may never be a tackle shop picture hero, but I won't have the wool pulled over my eyes either.
Steve


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