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MEETING NOTICE
RECREATIONAL ADVISORY PANEL MEETING
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008
Time: 9:30 am
Location: Holiday Inn, Peabody, MA
One Newbury Street
Peabody, MA 01960
Telephone: ( 978 ) 535-4600; Fax: ( 978 ) 535-8238

Agenda:

- Develop recommendations for Amendment 16 to the Northeast Multispecies Fishery Management Plan. The Advisory Panel will review management options that are under development and current estimates of stock status. They will provide recommendations for the measures for the recreational fishery that will be considered by the Groundfish Oversight Committee and the full Council at a later date.

- The Panel may make recommendations on any measure, such as minimum fish sizes, possession (bag) limits, seasons, closed areas, annual catch limits and accountability measures, etc.

- Other business

The full notice may be found at...
http://www.nefmc.org/nemulti/meeting_notice/Draft080916GAP_080917RAP.pdf

Hope to see you there.
 

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Recreational Groundfish Allocation: We need to get it right the first time
By Michael Flaherty
TideWise.Com - August 2008


Most folks probably don't realize it, but there is not a formal allocation of groundfish between the commercial and recreational sectors. In short, we pretty much end up with the crumbs left over from the commercial sector. With Gulf of Maine Cod, for example, in the years between 1996 and 2006 recreational harvest amounted to an average of about 26%. However, if you focus on the most current trends, then you will find that recreational harvest averaged 35% between 2001 and 2006. While that is a remarkable gain, there is nothing in place to prevent losing that gain and ending up with much less in the future.

On May 20th the NEFMC Recreational Advisory Panel (RAP) met in Peabody Massachusetts to provide recommendations for Amendment 16 to the Northeast Multispecies Fishery Management Plan (groundfish). One of the items contained in Amendment 16 is the matter of a formal allocation for groundfish. Like all NEFMC advisory meetings, this one was open to the public. Unfortunately, only four folks were present in the audience; an environmentalist, two party/charter operators, and myself.

This was disappointing to say the least because if the recreational community is not involved during this process, then the face of the recreational groundfishery in New England stands to change dramatically and permanently. More importantly by the time folks realize what has happened it will be far too late. Frank Blount, the owner of the party/charter Frances Fleet in Rhode Island stressed this by using the already established summer flounder allocation as an example, ?It is going to be very very hard to change these numbers once they go in. I'll tell you that right now. The fluke [allocation], everyone thinks it is wrong, but the number hasn't changed.?

For an idea of what is at stake, consider this. There has been much discussion at the Council of using the years 1996-2006 to base the allocation on. However, if that goes through as-is then it could result in upwards of a 60% reduction in the amount of haddock recreational fishermen are allowed to keep.

Look at it this way. Presently recreational harvest of haddock is around 41%. However, if we accepted the baseline being offered for a haddock allocation, then those years would be averaged and we would be looking at a paltry 16.8% allocation of haddock. Naturally, that would leave the commercial sector with the remaining 83.2%.

The good news is that there are certainly good reasons for choosing the more recent years to base a haddock allocation on. They better reflect the current proportions being caught by both sectors. In addition, some of the earlier years should be avoided because at times recreational measures actually raised the haddock minimum size at a time when commercial measures were being relaxed.

As conservation-minded anglers, we tend to accept reductions when necessary. However when it comes to a assigning a proper share of the resource for the fishing public, now is not the time to be modest. It is important to realize that whatever percentages are decided on for a recreational and commercial allocation, it will have no bearing on conservation because they will simply be slices of the same predetermined sustainable pie.

In order to preserve public access to this fishery that is a symbol of New England, the recreational community must be engaged in the process. The good news is that it is not too late. In the coming months you can expect to see more attention given to this topic as the Council adopts their preferred alternatives for Amendment 16. Shortly after that, they will solicit public comment at hearings that will be held in all coastal New England states (and probably some Mid Atlantic states). These meetings are usually held at night so that the general public, many of whom work during the day, can make it to them. I urge anyone interested to attend, get informed, and share your thoughts with the folks who manage your fishery. Bring a friend or two. Let?s make sure we get it right the first time.
 

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flatts1b wrote:
Most folks probably don't realize it, but there is not a formal allocation of groundfish between the commercial and recreational sectors. In short, we pretty much end up with the crumbs left over from the commercial sector. With Gulf of Maine Cod, for example, in the years between 1996 and 2006 recreational harvest amounted to an average of about 26%. However, if you focus on the most current trends, then you will find that recreational harvest averaged 35% between 2001 and 2006. While that is a remarkable gain, there is nothing in place to prevent losing that gain and ending up with much less in the future.

IMHO the lack of a formal allocation to the recreational sector has worked out very well for the sector, basically it allows us to catch as much as we can. You also have to realize that those pushing for a formal allocation are doing so as part of their effort to limit competition in the GOM charter/party fleet. IOW they want an allocation for the charter/party fleet that qualifies for the limited entry permits, thus shutting out any future competition. I believe that what they are aiming for is something similar to what has happened on the commercial side with day-at-sea, so that the qualifying boats will effectively own a large part of the recreational allocation and only they will be allowed to catch them.

I don't see any of that as being in the interest of the average recreational fisherman in the GOM. I wish they wouldn't schedule these meeting when I have to be out of town!
 

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I think it would be quite easy to allocate winter flounder both in the GOM and SNE.



How so? I can see it being easy in SNE, since recreationals are catching almost nothing, but IMHO the GOM is much more problematic.
 

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How so? I can see it being easy in SNE, since recreationals are catching almost nothing, but IMHO the GOM is much more problematic.

In both cases I'm thinking zero is going to be the number to partition
 

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MakoMike wrote:

IMHO the lack of a formal allocation to the recreational sector has worked out very well for the sector, basically it allows us to catch as much as we can. You also have to realize that those pushing for a formal allocation are doing so as part of their effort to limit competition in the GOM charter/party fleet. IOW they want an allocation for the charter/party fleet that qualifies for the limited entry permits, thus shutting out any future competition. I believe that what they are aiming for is something similar to what has happened on the commercial side with day-at-sea, so that the qualifying boats will effectively own a large part of the recreational allocation and only they will be allowed to catch them.

I don't see any of that as being in the interest of the average recreational fisherman in the GOM. I wish they wouldn't schedule these meeting when I have to be out of town!


BINGO !!!

"RECREATIONAL ADVISORY PANEL" :confused:

It should be "Charter Boat Club Panel"
 

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Brenainn wrote:
MakoMike wrote:

IMHO the lack of a formal allocation to the recreational sector has worked out very well for the sector, basically it allows us to catch as much as we can. You also have to realize that those pushing for a formal allocation are doing so as part of their effort to limit competition in the GOM charter/party fleet. IOW they want an allocation for the charter/party fleet that qualifies for the limited entry permits, thus shutting out any future competition. I believe that what they are aiming for is something similar to what has happened on the commercial side with day-at-sea, so that the qualifying boats will effectively own a large part of the recreational allocation and only they will be allowed to catch them.

I don't see any of that as being in the interest of the average recreational fisherman in the GOM. I wish they wouldn't schedule these meeting when I have to be out of town!


BINGO !!!

"RECREATIONAL ADVISORY PANEL" :confused:

It should be "Charter Boat Club Panel"


Not everyone on the panel shares those views, there is a substantial minority that opposes limited entry.
 

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IMHO the lack of a formal allocation to the recreational sector has worked out very well for the sector, basically it allows us to catch as much as we can.

When you consider the numerous overages in Rec quota without paybacks for fluke, one might argue the same for some fisheries with current formal rec allocations - for good or ill.

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I believe that what they [the party/charter fleet] are aiming for is something similar to what has happened on the commercial side with day-at-sea, so that the qualifying boats will effectively own a large part of the recreational allocation and only they will be allowed to catch them.

No doubt about it. And many of them are just fool enough to open up that can of worms. And if they do, I have a strange feeling that they will regret it.




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Draft Meeting summary

New England Fishery Management Council
Recreational Advisory Panel
Meeting Summary
September 17, 2008

The Recreational Advisory Panel (RAP) met in Wakefield, MA to provide recommendations for Amendment 16 to the Northeast Multispecies Fishery Management Plan (FMP). Panel members present were Barry Gibson (Chair), Bud Brown (Vice-chair), George Costella, Jonathan Sterritt, Don Swanson, Tony Dilernia, Michael Sosik, Ed Nowak, and Joe Huckmeyer. Groundfish Oversight Committee Chair Rip Cunningham participated in the discussions, while Council staff Tom Nies supported the meeting. Major issues discussed by the Panel included the results of the Groundfish Assessment Review Meeting (GARM III), recreational/commercial allocation of groundfish stocks, and recreational management measures. The Panel?s progress on measures was hindered by the lack of advice from the Plan Development Team (PDT); the PDT work has stalled because critical PDT members are working on a groundfish interim action.

GARM III Overview
Council staff gave a brief overview of the GARM III assessment results, focusing on stocks of most concern to the recreational industry (GOM cod, GB cod, GOM haddock, pollock, GOM winter flounder, SNE/MA winter flounder). RAP members offered several comments and questions on the GARM results:

? The pollock assessment results do not match the recovery of pollock noticed by recreational fishermen, particularly on Stellwagen Bank.
? Predation by spiny dogfish and cormorants are slowing groundfish rebuilding. It does not seem reasonable to be looking at additional reductions from fishermen when spiny dogfish are being allowed to decimate cod and other stocks.
? Was there any exploration of the suggestion at the GARM to combine winter flounder stocks to improve the assessments? (Staff replied that this was more a research suggestion and this was not explicitly examined at the GARM meeting).
? How will these results affect recreational fishermen in Mid-Atlantic States? We only catch small amounts of cod, pollock, white hake in federal waters. Is there a de minimus status that can be examined because the amount of fish we currently catch won?t affect rebuilding? (Staff replied that if recreational measures are adopted to rebuild GB cod, mid-Atlantic fishermen would probably be affected).

Staff next reviewed changes to the commercial/recreational allocation measures that are being considered in the amendment. For stocks where the recreational catch is less than five percent of the removals from federal waters, an allocation will not be identified. For stocks that exceed this level, several different time periods are being considered. While the exact calculations have not been completed, it is probably that allocations will only be made for GOM cod, GOM haddock, and possibly pollock and GB cod- the winter flounder stocks are primarily caught in state waters. Staff next presented preliminary information on the mortality reductions that might be needed from recreational fishermen. These are contingent on rebuilding periods (which have not yet been selected by the Council) and allocation decisions. The preliminary range of reductions that was presented to the RAP was:

Allocation Years
Stock 1996-2006 2001-2006
GOM cod -27% -2%
GOM haddock -18% None
Pollock -35% -29%

RAP members expressed concern over any reductions at all for GOM cod. They noted that FW 42 targeted a thirty-two percent reduction in GOM cod mortality and information provided at a previous RAP meeting indicated that GOM harvest declined by almost twice that amount. A RAP member argued that the recreational fishery had already done more than was required for GOM cod, and should be given credit for those sacrifices. Concern was also expressed about expecting recreational fishermen to reduce pollock mortality. The RAP was reminded that the needed reductions were expressed in terms of mortality and did not necessarily translate into a reduction in catches compared to FY 2007. RAP members asked staff what commercial catch had done under the FW 42 restrictions. Staff replied that commercial catch (in numbers of fish, the metric used to calculate allocations between components) declined in 2006 but then increased in 2007. RAP members argue that this supports their contention that they did more than was necessary under FW 42.

Management Measures
Without any additional PDT advice, the RAP was unable to provide specific recommendations for measures. They reviewed their earlier advice, which suggested the first choice to reduce mortality should be an increase in minimum size limits and bag limits. Two members expressed caution over this approach. They described the experiences in the scup and summer flounder fisheries: there is a break-point in scup bag limits where party/charter vessels cannot attract passengers, and size limits can get large enough to discourage clients who do not want to discard fish. They suggested that season might be a better approach. This was not accepted by all panel members, however. The RAP members agreed that it would be important to hold a future meeting to discuss measures when PDT advice is available to provide more specific recommendations.

Recreational/Commercial Allocations
The Panel next discussed recreational/commercial allocation issues. Several members spoke in favor of a strong statement from the RAP recommending that the Council choose the 2001-2006 time period for determining the allocations for each component of the fishery. Other RAP members pointed out that the allocations are based on MRFSS data, which is not precise and has large errors. Since these allocations will be difficult, if not impossible, to revise in the future, the Groundfish Committee Chair panel urged that these error bars should be remembered and the RAP should argue for the largest share possible. Other members expressed the belief that MRFSS under-estimates recreational catch; when a new system is implemented to replace MRFSS, more accurate current estimates of catch may conflict with allocations set using under-estimated data from MRFSS. The panel briefly discussed not having an allocation at all, but noted that this might cause the same problems that occurred during FW 42 development: recreational fishermen are subject to the same mortality reductions as the commercial fleet.

While the RAP noted the recommendation of the Groundfish Advisory Panel to use the 1996-2006 time period for GOM cod, GOM haddock, and pollock, the RAP believes the following arguments support the more recent period (in addition to those offered at the May RAP meeting):

? Stock sizes of GOM cod, GOM haddock, and pollock were low in the mid-90s, reducing access to these fish by recreational fishermen. Using 2001 as the starting date for the allocation chooses a period when access improved because rebuilding had begun.
? The more recent time period is more consistent with current conditions in the fishery. They are more reflective of where the fishery is at present, and where it is likely to be going.

The RAP reiterated its support of the 2001-2006 time period for determining the allocations between recreational and commercial components of the fishery, for those stocks that will be subject to an allocation. The RAP also recommends that in those instances where recreational harvest is only a small portion of removals, additional management measures may not be necessary. The RAP also supports the Council?s option that if the recreational share of the federal catch is less than five percent, there should not be any annual catch limits (ACLs) or accountability measures (AMs) for the recreational fishery.

The RAP also asks that it be allowed to meet at a future date to provide recommendations for specific measures.
 

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From the feedback I got from several members who did attend, nothing happened.

That's pretty accurate. A lot of the usual discussion but they pretty much rubber-stamped what they voted on last time.

It was a short one.

Only two folks present in the audiance. A charter captain and myself. That's 50% less than were present at the last meeting in May this year.

- Mike F.
 
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