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I have been involved in a full restoration of a 1988 35ft Duffy that I've been meaning to post here for some time. The actual restoration started 7 months ago so I'll have to one, large update right now to bring all of this up to date. I purchased the boat last October (indirectly) from an insurance company after the boat was involved in a fire. The truck cabin, main cabin, sole and wash boards were totally destroyed. When I say "totally destroyed" that is exactly what I mean. There was no rebuilding any of these structures ..... all of it needed to be removed and rebuilt from scratch. The hull was structurally sound and thsi is the only reason taht I got involved in this project. There was SOME fiberglass delaminating of the hull above the sole but nothing that couldn't be fixed with some sweat. There was no fire-effects on the hull below the sole and obviously below the waterline.

The boat came with a cat 3208t and a TD 507 transmission and each had about 9200hrs but reportly ran "great" before the fire. The engine was cosmetically in very poor condition. All of the wires were toast. Any aluminium or plastic on the engine was also toast. Plus the fuel pump was toast. But at least I had the engine, transmission, shaft and wheel. The engine and transmissioon were removed and rebuilt.


Like I said already, I purchased the boat in October 2007 under great protest from my father who looked at the boat and said "you gotta be F'ing nuts to buy that piece of charcoal" and my wife saw it pull up the driveway and walked back inside without saying a word.....the silence was very loud. The boat was delivered 10/17/2007 and work began right away. Within the first week, the I removed all of the debris from the boat filling at least 15 industrial sized trash bags - removed were parts of a liferaft, old fishing tackle, USCG safety gear, a Wagner helm, compass, electronics, clothing, food, ropes, etc, etc. More stuff than I care to remember. On the 2nd week, I had removed the cabins and all of the washboards. Next came up the sole. Since I had come so far already, I decided to replace all of the deck beams even though they didn't appear that old and were in fine shape. Then the messy part started .... cutting out the delaminated portions of fiberglass. The Duffy appeared to have about 8 layers throughout the hull above the WL. In the forepeak, I had to remove just 1 or 2 layers until I got to solid glass. In the main cabin, I had to remove about 4 layers and the same for the ****pit. I just kept on removing layers until I was 100% certain that I had gotten down to solid glass taht had no heat distortion or no ill-effects from cracking or drying.

After getting down to clean glass, I started rebuilding. For construction, I bought a roll (110 linear yds) of 1708 biaxial and, 70 gallons of RAKA epoxy (great stuff BTW, easy to apply, great wetting properties, little tendency to blush and about 1/2 the cost of West). I replaced proportional numbers of layers as were removed but I believe that the hull in now probably stronger than original given the strength properties of epoxy. Some may ask "why didn't you use polyester since the boat is made of poly". Well, newly laid poly won't bond to old-cured poly with any degree of reliability plus I was certain, that despite my best efforts, that there was still some dirt/smoke in the fiberglass hull. Epoxy would be less sensitive to this dirt compared to poly.

Also, right after removing the sole, I also removed the 3208 and had it MOH'ed by our local Cat shop. About 5 weeks later, they had the engine running like NEW, rebuilt the transmission, and replaced the fuel pump plus a few other parts that were fire affected. They gave me a 1 year warranty on the MOH so I'm pretty happy with that.

Anyway, concurrent to the MOH, and after rebuilding the hull, I replaced the deck beams, installed a new wet exhaust (the old boat had a dry) installed a new fir plywood sole (installed with 5200 and #12x2" SS screws) and fiberglassed the new deck to the hull with biaxial/RAKA.

Next was to build the truck cabin which took about 3 weeks of part-time work but was eventually completed. I didn't want any roof beams (carlings) inside the cabin so I made a 10x12ft jig with a 4.5" over 10ft camber and bent 2 layers of 1/2" A/A grade fir plywood over the jig with a bond of epoxy between each layer. This layer of epoxy allowed the two layers of plywood to hold the original camber after removed from the jig. Plywood was a fine construction material for the small truck cabin (strong, impact resistant) but too heavy for the roof of the main cabin. For this, I used the same jig but used 2" nidacore as a base material with 2 layers of biaxial on the topside and 1 layer on the inside. After the 3rd layer, I removed from the jig and the entire roof (10x12ft) weighted about 250lbs plus the roof was as stiff as steel "I" beam. A great choice for a large cabin roof.

After constructing the 2 cabin bulkheads and putting into place, I recruited the help of friends and we lifted the 2 roofs into place. Both were secured with 1708 tabs on the inside and out.

And this is about where I am current located. I started building the windshield last Monday and have only completed the center 2 windows and each of these frames are also tabbed into place. Hopefully this week I will complete the other 2 windows and also install.

I'll try to be more reliable in posting frequent threads updating on progress. It'll be good to look back on all of this at the projects completion and see how it all went. Thus far, I have about 7 months of time invested working just on weekends and after work as time allows. Fortunately I have an understanding and patient wife who puts up with all of this nonsense.

Many of you have helped me tremendously with your ideas, suggestions and for this help I am greatly appreciative. If you have any other ideas, feel free to send them over too. The progress will continue to be slow (but steady) as I have a FT job, own/operate a charter boat on the Chesapeake and have a family of 3 so you?ll understand when I say ?that the boat will get done sometime? but I?m hoping for a completion in July/August for a ?bare-bones? vessel. I?ll use her in Sept through January for tuna, seabass and tile and then bring her back on the hard in January for the final touches (the finish work always takes a long time).

I know taht I have glassed over some of the steps of this project rather quickly here but I think taht I have touched upon all of the salient points.

Here are some time-line pictures of the project from the beginning


This post edited by GoodChance 10:56 PM 11/05/2009
 

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Here are some "after" photos.... After ALOT of cleanup had been performed. These photos don't start until after 2 months of clean-up work started. The first are the deck beams. You can also see the 2x100gallon fuel tanks to port and starboard. Aft you can see the rudder post. In the forward access hatch you can see the shaft. Not all of the deck beams are installed at the time of this picture as you can see.

The 3rd picture shows the 3208 right after getting it back from the MOH.

The 4th is after the install. I had only installed 1 other engine before (a small Cummins 6bt) and this engine was a little more difficult due to size and weight. Right after installing the engine I then started building the sole of the cabin. I had to instal an 8" step from the ****pit to the cabin to allow a flush cabin sole.

Also in the 2nd photo, you can see the completed "rehab" of the hull where the burnt/delaminated layers of fiberglass were removed and replaced with 1708. This was the worst portion of this entire project (dirty, glass schards everywhere) but the end product came out very well. The hull is extremely sound and now about 1/2" to 1" thick (from top of hull to WL level).

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GoodChance wrote:
...............under great protest from my father who looked at the boat and said "you gotta be F'ing nuts to buy that piece of charcoal" ..................

I gotta agree with your dad...........:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:.........but, it is starting to look pretty darn good.


Keep the pics coming...........
 

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Amazing...

...amazing example of determination. Gotta love those big projects. Nice job so far. Easy to imagine how that project will turn out.


Keep the pics coming as you progress.
 

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Are you building that outside with no cover? Or are you using the tarp as your cover when you expect rain? Keep us updated on the project.


Yes, it's being built outside but it was been under cover the entire time. I have a big 30x40 real heavy tarp taht has been used to keep her dry while working. Somedays, even when it was raining quite heavily, I was still able to work inside and stay dry. Now that the cabin is on though, I'm able to just leave the tarp off and everything stays dry. I'll get a picture of the cabin later today after fishing this morning.
 

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Nice work and even greater determination!! Been there as its the only way to afford some things that normally is outside the budget! Now that you have a cabin top, when summer comes and it gets hot leave a window out and put a regular A/C window unit in and tarp so you can work in comfort! I was going to buy a used Duffy and when I asked the salesman, he looked at me and said I could not afford the boat though he did not even know me, killed the deal. I took a ride the next week to Atlantic Boats and purchased a kit that day. Many then said I was over my head and could never finish such a large project. Glad you stuck to your guns and heart!! Keep up the pics!!


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Goodchance, I really admire your spirit and ingeniuity in taking on the monumental task of rebuilding that Duffy! Bravo. Keep up the good work. If you dont name the boat after your wife, you should name the boat the Phoenix!! Great stuff, keep the updates coming.
Good Luck,
Rick
 

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Ok - Here are a few more pictures that I took this afternoon. Most are self-explanatory. As you can see, the full cabin is in place with the aft bulkhead. The center window-frame is tabbed in place (this frame will actually contain 2 windows) and I have already cut out and fit the 2 "wing" windows but these haven't been tabbed in yet. Both of these frames are in the poleshed.

The canopy is nidacore as suggested by many of you. The cabin door is offset to starboard as suggested by MBill.

Headroom in the truck cabin is 6'1/2" and 6'3" in the main cabin. The 2x6 beam taht you see in Picture 3 is only temporary. It supported the canopy until I could get it tabbed in place. I could probably remove it now but I'll wait until the wing-windows are in place.


Thanks for the comments thus far.

VINCE - Great idea to A/C the cabin while working this summer. And you are right .... the only way that money-poor guys like you and I can end up with a boat like this is to invest sweat-equity. I know that I'll make a few mistakes along the way, but I also own a few angle grinders and a saw-zall :) Thanks again.

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fishinsurfer wrote:
Goodchance, I really admire your spirit and ingeniuity in taking on the monumental task of rebuilding that Duffy! Bravo. Keep up the good work. If you dont name the boat after your wife, you should name the boat the Phoenix!! Great stuff, keep the updates coming.
Good Luck,
Rick


Rick -

Not up on all of my Greek mythology, I had to Google the Phoenix. You're a pretty smart guy --- I like that name and I may consider. I haven't decided on a name just yet ..... my wife is Shelly, my son is hayden and daughter is Reagan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology)
 

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GoodChance,

After you cut all your window and door openings glass both sides of the plywood. Next with a router cut the plywood back between the glass on each side back about a half inch. I don't know it's name is but there is a fiberglass resin (it is green in color and is like putty with glass fibers in it) that you need to fill what you routed out. If you don't you will have rot in the plywood around the windows and door.
 

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Great pics, keep them coming, post some more. How tall is your cabin wall measured vertical from the washrails? How tall is your trunk cabin walls? They look taller then normal, which I like as it gives you better visibility. Great project,

Brian

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Cool name "Mithril" Wheres Bilbo.:)


Goodchance-Looking good! Can;t wait to see more pics, keep em coming on this thread.
 

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GoodChance,

After you cut all your window and door openings glass both sides of the plywood. Next with a router cut the plywood back between the glass on each side back about a half inch. I don't know it's name is but there is a fiberglass resin (it is green in color and is like putty with glass fibers in it) that you need to fill what you routed out. If you don't you will have rot in the plywood around the windows and door.

Frigate -

I planned on going exactly what you described and as a matter of fact, have already sealed all of my end-grain butt joints in a manner very similiar to what you describe. But I've been using an epoxy/cabosil fillerto prevent water intrusion into the end-grain. I think taht your product is a polyester, which is also good, but, in my opinion, the epoxy will probably have better strength and water resistance. Thanks for the suggestion, it was a great one and something that many people and many "professional" boat finishers tend to overlook in the sake of speed of job completion.

Brian -

I'm not certain of the height of my main cabin walls -- I just forget what it is right off the top of my head. But the overall ratio of the cabin height from the washboard vs the height from the Washboard to the WL is just under 2:1. I think that it is 1.92:1. I agree, anything over 2:1 starts to look funny -- too "top heavy". So I was very careful not to built her too top heavy. I think that she just looks top heavy right now because the windows aren't in place and the aft canopy overhang isn't trimmed out and the forward canopy overhang isn't cambered yet either. When all of this is done, I think taht she'll look more "fit-and-trim. Thanks for your comments though.

LobsterD -

Yeah Man, I'd love to rehab that boat. I much rather work wood than fiberglass. I could have her looking like new very quickly. We'd strip her down to bare wood. Re-fastner her all the way around. Give her 3 or 4 coats of West System and then Awl-grip. She'd be too pretty to fish from.

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What process and product will you use to paint the cabin and washrails? I'm about to start a project that is similar to yours, I'm starting with a bare hull and hope to have a complete boat in about 20 months. Thanks,

Brian
 
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