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My sad prediction for this season is that it will be remembered as the year that the makos disappeared.

Those who have been fishing offshore since before they used fiberglass to build boats will tell you that there once was a time when tiger sharks and great whites ruled the ocean around Long Island. Find the huge pods of whales (also gone now) and beneath them you'd find the monster sharks waiting to grab the pod's young, old and sick. Find a dead whale floating and you had your pick of 500lb to 4,000lbers to choose to throw your bait to. Schools of blue sharks remained small because their pups could not stand a chance against these monsters of the deep. Then, one year in the early 80's, they were gone... I bet some of you can tell us the exact year that the tigers and great whites disappeared.

And the blue shark schools had a chance to grow a little larger...

Offshore anglers didn't care much that the tigers and whites were gone because to take up the slack there were hundreds of huge Dusky sharks. Most times they fought just like the huge tigers and you didn't know which you had until it was a few feet under the boat. Once hooked, a Dusky in the 600lb range was just one slow tug of war with a monster. The huge dusky sharks gave the larger blue sharks a great deal of competition for food. But then one year, the Dusky sharks disappeared.

And the schools of blue sharks grew larger because they had less competition for food.

Those who did inshore sharking, less than 30 miles from shore often had multiple hookups with brown sharks each trip (also known as "sandbar sharks". They didn't grow much more than 200lbs or so but they were PLENTIFUL. Once again, blue sharks had competition for food. Then, one year, the brown sharks disappeared.

And the blue sharks had less competition.

Other inshore sharkers often would do battle with sand tigers in the 150 to 200lb range. These awesome sharks had the head and teeth of a mako, the body of a nurse shark and the stripes of a tiger. If they were still around today you'd catch them like crazy whenever you tried chunking or floating clam bellies for bass. But one day, they were gone.

And the blue sharks had more opportunities to grow.

Every so often some early season sharkers would return back to the dock with what they beleived to be a nice mako. It didn't phase them that they were fishing in waters that were still a bit too cold for makos or that the shark rarely leaped out of the water. Once back at the dock they were often surprised to learn that their prized catch was actually a Porbeagle shark. Those events were always good for a few laughs at the dinner table when the steaks didn't taste quite right. In the sharks' bellies you could often find the remains of small blue sharks. Then, one year, the porbeagles just disappeared.

And there were less predators for the blue sharks to worry about.

In the late 80's and early 90's there were some great scalloped hammerhead shark activity in our area. These fish rarely grew over 200lbs in our waters, but they could get your hearts pumping as they loved to swim on the surface with their HUGE dorsal fins protruding in the air. Their willingness to take a bait when other sharks had lockjaw accounted for thousands of dollars of tournament winnings for those trip-saving hammerheads. Their aggresive eating took food away from the blue sharks. But then one year, the hammerheads disappeared.

And the blue sharks grew.

Just as sunfish commonly fool us when first sighted, there was a time when the huge mass of basking sharks in our waters would fool anglers into thinking that they were giant tiger or white sharks. These plankton eaters even spooked the blue sharks. But then, one year, the basking sharks were gone.

And the blue sharks had no more fear.

With the water void of many of the aggressive species of sharks that were easy to catch, anglers around Long Island started to pay more notice to and catch more and more of the elusive thresher sharks. But the simple fact remains that the thresher never boasted a large population. Despite the fact that they are still caught here an there, we are almost at the point of stating that they too have disappeared.

That leaves us with just the makos and the blue sharks. It has a common undertone that many of us discussed earlier this month;

The sea robins and the fluke.

Some will argue that last year was one of the best mako years EVER. But best for who... the mako or us?? From the species point of view, it was one of the WORST years for makos in our area.

Some will say that the increase in mako landings might have something to do with the DECREASE in the bluefish population. Any of us who had makos last year will tell you that they hit the baits like they hadn't eaten in over a week! Large makos, small makos, they all came back to the dock. I can only speak of what happened with the recreational catches, but I'm sure that it was a banner mako year for commercial longliners as well.

Like the sea robins, with the seas void of their predators, blue shark schools are free to multiply as much as their food supply allows them. As their numbers sky-rocket, they will surely put even more pressure on the other shark populations and their food supplies (such as bluefish). We see evidence of this happening already (remember last year, a new WORLD RECORD blue shark was landed in Montauk!).

Sorry to say this, but my prediction is that the mako population will begin a sharp decline. Yes, makos will be caught. But keep in mind that with almost any species their population will go through a cycle. As their food supply has greatly diminished, so will their population. Not until the bluefish population rebounds will the mako return. It's only a matter of time before the shortfin mako gets added to that growing list of protected species that are illegal to possess.

And the blue sharks will continue to grow and grow and grow...
 

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As long as bluefish are still common, or some other common fighting fish with a voracious appetite that can be caught inshore (off beaches and stuff mainly north shore) and there are some mid-sized sharks to catch (50-130lbs) and the ecosystem isn't screwed up, I'm fine.
 

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I don't much care for you DoctorFish (Insert Newman's voice here)

Only kidding of course, but you are really ruining the season for me with all of these posts. You make a very good arguement for the demise of shark populations. What would you propose, a moritorium on sharking?

I am going to try and make the best of a bad situation. I can't wait to get out there and try my hand at sharking this year. Since I am a complete greenhorn and used to catch and release anyway I will very happy to catch those pesky overpopulating blue dogs.

I heard a story about Frank Mundus a while ago, where he prepared a blue shark dinner and fed it to unsuspecting guests who all thought it was delicious. He did it to prove that it is all in the preperation.

Doesn't soaking it in salt and milk help remove the toxins in the meat? The basic milk is supposed to neutralize the uric acid in the meat.
 

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Reelfun, don't get me started on the billfish! What about white marlin at the Yankee wreck? Haven't seen that in a long time.

Doughboy, you are right, maybe I am going overboard this year with my outlook. But truth be told, it is a very sad fishery when there are truly only two common shark species left for us to count on to make or break each trip.
 

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Doctorfish is correct. The truth hurts. I am new to the offshore arena. I started in 2000. I had begginer's luck b/c when I went on a chunking trip on the Roberta Ann, I landed about 120 lb tiger shark. Last year I did get a few of Makos on a private boat, but none over 100 lbs. I was lucky enough to land a 100 lb brown shark. I guess that's just luck. I don't want to rely on luck. If that was the case, I'd be a gambler rather than a fisherman. I want to be able to fish and have at least a chance at hooking a decent Mako, lets say 150 lbs. We cannot do that if there are no sustainable populations of Makos. What's the point of going out to the Linda Wreck or Oregon or Schooner if you know that there's not a chance of getting a Mako. Going out, even just 30 miles, is not worth it to me just to get a Blue Shark. What's my point? Maybe the fishing clubs, such as Babylon Tuna Club or Freeport Tuna Club, can have contests for Blue Sharks and maybe make it worth it to seek out the Blues.
 

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Josko, destroying all automobiles may be a beter idea, your kids are infinately more likely to be injured in a vehicle than by a shark.Name the last time there was a CONFIRMED shark attack in LI waters. Now, pick up the paper on any given day, and you'll likely see a story about an auto accident . "Jaws" was the worst thing that could have happened to sharks !
 

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Doctorfish,

I agree with everything you said.It would be nice if we could keep people like "josko" away from rods,reels,and any other pointed instruments.

If by any chance you fish the Star Island tourn,the last few year there have been quite a few threshers caught,with some being 300 to 400 pounds.I can't remember in the last 3-4 years of the tournament that there wasn't at least 2 threshers brought in.Maybe the thresher is making a strong comeback.Any thoughts?
 

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FWIW, the thresher puping grounds are on the south shore of long island. Jack Casey told me about the location when he was heading up the Apex predator program at NMFS. He also swore me to secrecy on the exact location :)
 

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Hipshot,

No, I am not a marine biologist. I just make a hobby out of doing a ton of research about the marine environment and the sport we love so much. But I don't think I ever posted anything that required a marine biology degree to justify. I speak mostly from first hand experience as well as countless reliable sources. On this topic, I think the facts speak for themselves.
 

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It doesn't matter what doctorfish's credentials are. What matters is whether or not what he is saying is true. As fishermen we have an obligation to know the status of the species we're targeting. Go lay out a good chum slick and see what shows up. Or what doesn't. You'll never see a tiger, hammerhead, or great white, and the chances of you catching a dusky, porbeagle, or sandbar shark are pretty slim. Sharks take a long time to reach sexual maturity, and don't produce a lot of young. As the apex predator large tigers, great whites and others were never all that plentiful so their populations were very vulnerable. Sort of like the grizzly and wolf. The movie Jaws made sharking popular and made non-thinking idiots believe that they were actually doing something good by removing these spectacular animals from the ecosystem. Even Frank Mundus, the guy who Quint was modeled after, shakes his head at what has happened to shark populations. He was famous for saying his clients were mostly a**holes. The asian market for sharkfins resulted in decimation of the shark populations in the early 80's. The photos of live sharks with fins cut off being tossed overboard are not fun to look at. The only thing that has saved the blue shark is that it is considered inedible. So, what to do? Be educated. Tag and release sharks. Be selective in what you keep e.g. fish that have healthy population levels. Go to NMFS hearings and write letters. Here is a link to the Audubon Living Ocean's program page with information on shark populations:

http://www.audubon.org/campaign/lo/seafood/sharks.html

This link is to Audubon's Living Oceans seafood website. It will tell you the status of stocks of everything from Pacific Salmon to Weakfish:

http://www.audubon.org/campaign/lo/seafood/guide.html

By the way, I'm an avid offshore fisherman, I like to eat fish, and I like to catch sharks. But I want my kids to be able to catch the same species I do. No Great Whites? What a boring ocean that would be…
 

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Scratcher wrote "No Great Whites? What a boring ocean that would be… "

I totally agree with that quote and everything else you wrote. I too come from a family of avid offshore fisherman and we take our fair share of makos every year too. I agree that we can all help by only keeping what we plan to eat.

We'll have to watch this year and see how healthy the fishery really is. I predict a surge in mako landings the first few weeks and then an unanswered lack of mako activity in the area for the rest of the season.

But that is only my prediction and I am not a marine biologist.
 

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Doctorfish,
A surge of landings in the spring and then almost nothing but pups untill the fall is the way its been for years. BTW- I caught both tigers and hammerheads last year, though I haven't seen a great white in a while, but they never were very plentiful around here.
 

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DoctorFish,
I agree with the landings that you quoted however,last season when it came to the fall season it was very quiet.I didn't hear of any 300+ lb fish coming in.Don't really recall anything coming in then.
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moratorium?

So what do you guys think about a moratorium on Makos...actually all these sharks except blues? Perhaps a 1 Mako per season reg? What do you think will work; what are you willing to sacrifice for how long?
 

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Right on The money,Right on The money

You hit the nail right on the head. After just returning from looking at the Hudson Angler Tourney results (not one eligible mako as of 6PM), all one has to do is wonder what would happen if the tournament did not allow blue sharks?

I have been fishing the south shore for the past 25 years and haven't even bothered sharking for the past 5 years.

I think a key ingredient to the severe decline in shark populations over the past 10 years was the practice and fining. It was no coincidence that when this commercial practice became very popular in the mid 80's, it also coincided with the brown and dusky shark population declines (blue shark fin's are reportedly not good for soup, what a surprise).

Recreational fishing is the barometer of any fishery and until the NMFS stops looking at all there supposed accurate data and starts taking a hard look at what is happening at these tournaments, the shark fishing barometer will continue to fall.

We need a commercial and recreation moratorium……. NOW.
 
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