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Date posted December 13, 2003 7:55 PM
Posted by Leprechaun
Report location New York > Debs/Jones > New Grounds and 17
Fishing method Boat
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Wasn't even gonna leave this report, but thought it best to go ahead, if only to compare notes.



Bounced our way down to the New Grounds first thing in the morning and found an almost 3 kt tide making it necessary to use all 500' of anchor line. Wind against tide made it next to impossible to fish comfortably so up-anchored without so much as a nibble and motored to a set of numbers at 17 that produced decently on Tuesday.



Not today though. Almost imperceptible nibbles, mostly from seabass and bagels made it tough for the toggin'. Probably alot of those bagel bites were in fact tog, doing their hard-to-get act. Greens, Whites, japanese, no difference - when they don't wanna eat, they don't wanna eat.



Again wind against tide made the line run forward instead of aft and after a FULL day of this nonsense, the three of us struggled to a monster catch of 4 keepers and another half dozen toss-backs. And that's with so much moving around that I about killed the aux battery with the windlass. Never had to move up and back on the anchor as much as we did today.



What a nightmare this tog season is turning out to be. If I wasn't such an optimist, I'd pull the boat tomorrow.



Oh and just go check out the Marine forecast for the next 5 days.



Doesn't it look just yummy?



I freakin' surrender, man.



rgds, Leprechaun



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max171

Joined: 08/22/2001
Posts: 620
Location: jamaica bay
 12/13/2003 08:14 PM  

today, the kelly ann took the day off to join the crew of jamaica bay charters, stsrted at 17 where as u said lines ran up in a 2 knt tide, first few drops were unproductive, but capt anthony stuck it out and tried a few drops north of the scarey place called 17, there we managed a dozen or so, with as many ling ( nice sized too), 4 more drops for a final tally of 27 keepers but the hard way!the key was to get right on top of tiny pimples, i have never seen such patience and skill in such a young dude ,and im a tough critic! hi light was 4 cod all around 25 inches..hats off to the capt for instisting on releasing them 4 cod and not one was caught by me :(... oh well! great day, considering the conditions and reports thanks again capt Anthony


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paulh


Joined: 11/29/2000
Posts: 1468
 12/13/2003 09:48 PM  

Pete - Ouffahh, glad I stuck to my family committments instead of playing fish hooky. No appreciable current during the full moon period and now it screamed today ? What the ? Tuesday was looking OK but is quickly fading, it's gonna be a short season at 17 at this rate..........


"It seems the harder I fish the luckier I get"

F/V Emily S
 
bhm25


Joined: 08/12/2001
Posts: 775
Location: jamaica bay
 12/13/2003 10:32 PM  

hey max was fun fishin with you today did you let the "phantoms" scare you at 17 fathoms ? thanks for the hermits man they saved our buts today...lol. next time i want a 50 knot ride on the regulator....Anthony
 
Gary Sinestra
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Location: Westbury
 12/13/2003 11:32 PM  

Pete see my report I did the Super Hawk thing he worked very hard at 17 tides were screami--------ng until noon i had 3 bites three fish: a 16" ling, a 4" bergall and a 2 foot skate. Boat may have had 10 tog to 4 pounds for 40 passengers. Captain Steve tried REAL HARD BUT almost nada Gary Sinestra. Scuttlebut from a week ago (reliable ) has had some nice juicy tog to 9 pounds at Cholera but that was a week ago so Gary.


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Gary Sinestra
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 12/13/2003 11:41 PM  

By the way Pete the weather going forward even next week is BAD may want to pull her and save the aggravation, Gary.


Gary korbel
 
Makoman16


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 12/14/2003 01:14 PM  

Yo Lep ~ my buddy did a "bail job" at 17 on Wednesday. 4 guys ~ full limit. They had fish up to 11 pounds!


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Leprechaun
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Location: Wantagh/Seaford, N.Y.
 12/14/2003 02:25 PM  

Yep, see that's the problem. The fish turn on so infrequently that you have to be there almost every day inorder to cash on on those few times that there is an actual bite going on. We had a decent, though not outstanding pick on Tues, the day before your friends did so well. That's where and why these mostly local charter capt's get to have such glowing reports. They can get out there often and try different things and pieces till they hit on something that works with regularity. Mere mortals such as I, that have to fish whenever we get the chance and have to run twice the distance down there and back in small boats thru frequently bad conditions, well we can almost never get that kind of consistancy going on picky seasons such as this. BTW, nice weather today, eh? -


"Hi, my name is Pete and I have a fishing gear problem."
 
max171

Joined: 08/22/2001
Posts: 620
Location: jamaica bay
 12/14/2003 03:20 PM  

Yo Lep ~ my buddy did a "bail job" at 17 on Wednesday. 4 guys ~ full limit. They had fish up to 11 pounds! ,,,, wow tuesday was good, but wednesday and thursday blew a gale, we turned back, i give u guys alot of credit for that report wednesday. true vikings! hey lep we have to run to cholera when the flukings good there too its 19 miles for the local"capts" so net net its all the same in the end!


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Leprechaun
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 12/14/2003 04:18 PM  

Cholera from SHB in August and Sept vrs going to 17 in Dec & Jan from Jones - not so net net I would say. Last from me on this - no interest in joining the Noreast Debating Society. If I could delete the report, I would - lesson learned for the future - Lep out.


"Hi, my name is Pete and I have a fishing gear problem."
 
max171

Joined: 08/22/2001
Posts: 620
Location: jamaica bay
 12/14/2003 04:33 PM  

4-6 footers are 4-6 footers,canvas tops belong shrink wrapped in jan not at 17! but then what would the c.g do all winter long? my last words on this!


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