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Date posted November 4, 2010 2:06 PM
Posted by locaste
Report location New York > Montauk > Turtles, North Side
Fishing method Surf
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My multiple day excursion is winding up to be a study in extreme contrasts of conditions. Arrived 0700 Wednesday morning. Perfect weather, bright sunshine, cool temps, but no wind, surf, birds, or nearby bait holding. However, plenty of hunting seals here yesterday prowling up and down just 25 yards off the surfline, they spooked the fish away from the beach. I wasn't counting on seeing them when I made the trip out here.



Today, fog, blowing rain with small craft warnings, no birds, too much surf, sitting up here in the Truck parked in the upper parking lot waiting if one of the few die-hards that have chosen to brave these conditions wind up dragging anything up here from the surf. Time will tell.



Still looking forward to making the evening Bass trip on the Viking Star.



Lou



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LateStarter

Joined: 12/29/2005
Posts: 164
 11/04/2010 06:11 PM  

Same for me on Tuesday-- seal was the only sign of life. Those bltzing bass sure disappeared in a hurry.
 
locaste

Joined: 07/04/2003
Posts: 112
Location: Babylon
 11/04/2010 06:42 PM  

Unsurprisingly, even the Viking Superstar called off tonight's Bass/Blues trip probably for lack of interest. Lazybones stayed tied up all day. None of the casters from the beach brought up anything from the suds to the parking lot. I was wise to avoid the cost of another night in a motel room and returned to Babylon. Looking to hit 'Moses Friday.

Lou
 
spark59

Joined: 09/09/2006
Posts: 20
Location: east atlantic beach ny
 11/04/2010 08:03 PM  

Seals have impacted the outer cape fishing for years,now they're moving south in greater numbers. Very scary for fisherman
 
GSBMark


Joined: 06/13/2010
Posts: 107
Location: Out trying to catch fish!
 11/04/2010 10:59 PM  

Take heart brave Caster!! From what I hear of reports out of Mass fish will soon be in our most eastern waters. Still plenty of bait to move south and this cold weather may push them along. Tight Lines everyone!


"Never argue with a fool. People might know which one he is."
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
 
locaste

Joined: 07/04/2003
Posts: 112
Location: Babylon
 11/05/2010 03:50 AM  

Thanks Mark, you're probably correct but do I want to chance another 170 mile round trip out to Montauk after what I saw this week?

I've always regarded the presence of seals as a curiosity and an indication that the Herring are in. Since Herring are dumber than dirt, perhaps dumber than even Bluefish, seals never affected my targeting of them. This week was the first time I recognized seals as an obstruction to my agenda. You shoulda seen them just off Clark's Cove swimming in a loose formation on the surface west to east then east to west as if they were consciously herding anything that was below them.

This is turning into an interesting topic.

Lou
 
bassman909


Joined: 08/01/2001
Posts: 1537
Location: Jones Inlet
 11/05/2010 08:59 AM  

Lou,

It is an interesting topic. Seals are showing up in greater numbers everywhere. Few years back you'd see a cute couple of seals in my neck of the woods from December thru March. Now they start showing up in September, and stay till Late may, and there are more that a "couple". You should post a topic in one of the discussion boards.

How much impact are they having on stocks, or is this just natural.? Do they have any significant preditors anymore?


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hauler


Joined: 03/12/2002
Posts: 3788
 11/05/2010 11:33 AM  

Well Great Whites had been nailing them all of August right off the beaches of Chatham, MA. They tagged more then a handful of these and data from '09's grouping showed they wintered over in Florida. More and more GW's are calling Chatham home, some up and into the harbor itself. Problem is, more seals then GW's can put away as one seal will hold them for a week or two.

Check out Cape Cod Shark Hunters online for some amazing arials. Other then GW's I don't believe they have any predators around here this time of year and GW's are long gone too IMO.
 
locaste

Joined: 07/04/2003
Posts: 112
Location: Babylon
 11/05/2010 11:39 AM  

Significant predators of seals include (of course) Great White Sharks. Perhaps we need to be aware that as seal populations continue on the rise, it will hold these sharks in closer. White Sharks never venture far from the coast.
 
locaste

Joined: 07/04/2003
Posts: 112
Location: Babylon
 11/05/2010 11:44 AM  

I spotted my first seal on the rocks at Oak Beach (Sore Thumb) in 1968 as a thirteen year old. 'Walked up on him surf-rod in hand and startled him back into the inlet. Now they are a relatively common vision especially on the bars inside Shinnecock inlet during the colder months. The dynamics are that the waters surrounding the Northeast are becoming healthier. We see this with the expanding population of Striped Bass.


On the north side of Montauk this week, they are the beachmasters, the ones in charge, exceeding anyone's feeble attempts to outfish them from the beach. The intent of my comments was to indicate this situation is now a factor and to hopefully save some of my fellow surfcasters the gas that I burned on my trip out there.


Lou
 
locaste

Joined: 07/04/2003
Posts: 112
Location: Babylon
 11/05/2010 02:37 PM  

Please take future dialog to the Surf Fishing Forum, "The impact of expanding seal populations" discussion.
 
MTKsurfcaster


Joined: 10/02/2008
Posts: 117
 11/09/2010 10:14 AM  

good try
 
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