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 posted 02/25/2008 04:23 PM  

National Fishermen wrote:

Coastal Conservation group asks state to close winter flounder fisheryWEST BABYLON - Coastal Conservation Association New York, in a letter addressed to Peter Grannis, Commissioner of the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, has asked the DEC to halt all recreational and commercial fishing for winter flounder in the waters of the State of New York.
“New York’s winter flounder population has suffered a devastating collapse,” asserts Brian O’Keefe, chairman of CCA NY’s Government Relations Committee. “In 1987, New York’s recreational anglers landed nearly five million winter flounder. Last year, they landed fewer than 15,000. In 20 years, recreational harvest has fallen by more than 99 percent.”
Since the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission’s Winter Flounder Technical Committee has determined that there is a very strong correlation between recreational flounder landings and the size of the winter flounder population, it is clear that New York’s winter flounder are in deep trouble, the group said. Regulations still permit a substantial flounder harvest.


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 posted 02/25/2008 04:55 PM  

why don't we just stop all fishing in a hole how about that i no that the flounder fishery is in a bad state but come on. It has to stop some where what are we going to be able to fish for as of now the fluke is going to be a about a 50 day season black fishing who is going to burn the fuel for four fish i tell u this there is going to be alot more people out of work and on welfare

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 posted 02/25/2008 05:02 PM  

Flounder fishing was in a spiral downward motion in the early 90's.It should of been closed at least 10 years ago and you might of put a good catch together today.It needs a break!


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 posted 02/25/2008 05:51 PM  

Ok..........So now who do we blame for this,commercial fishermen,recreational fishermen,waterfront developers,shoreside power plants,lawn fertilizers,sewage plants,global warming,cormrants,etc.While i'm 100% sure where alot of the fault lies....i'm also 100% certain what 2 groups will foot the bill,Mostly because the others can not be addressed.

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 posted 02/25/2008 06:40 PM  


I can see closing the flounder fishery, it is obvious that there are very few of them. I can not agree with the size and bag limits for fluke. The fluke fishing is as good as it has ever been.

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 posted 02/25/2008 07:25 PM  

DATE 2/25/08

BLACKBACKS CHAN LGE.........0---187---187

There is more then enough Blackback Flounders around if you know where to look. As a matter of fact the offshore stock of blackbacks happen to be in reasonably good shape.


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 posted 02/25/2008 07:44 PM  

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 posted 02/25/2008 07:49 PM  

Steve, you make a good point. The GOM stock is in good shape, and there is no reason to prohibit flounder fishing there. OTOH, the inshore stock is in bad shape. Sure, "if you know where to look," you can put together a good catch - but that is cause for alarm. Flounder tag returns have indicated that they have a tendency to return to the same location each year to spawn. If you have to "know where to look," that means the number of places they return to each year is dwindling. If we keep catching them in the few places they return in good numbers to, we might wipe out the inshore stock for good. Check out the stock status on and it is clear that the inshore stock needs additional protection, especially compared to the GOM stock.

I don't know about a closure, but cutting the inshore season or bag limit would be a good place to start. I don't know if we can manage the stocks differently, but this situation seems to call for it.

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 posted 02/25/2008 07:52 PM  

EC please tell more about the flouder stocks.Thank you-Rob


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 posted 02/25/2008 07:57 PM  

the next thing they will tell us is u can only use ur limit of 6 sandworms to fish for ur 1 flounder...........what a joke......they ought to fish and stop guessing.


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 posted 02/25/2008 07:57 PM  

the next thing they will tell us is u can only use ur limit of 6 sandworms to fish for ur 1 flounder...........what a joke......they ought to fish and stop guessing.

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 posted 02/25/2008 08:42 PM  

Ant - I know it sux, but honestly - how was flounder fishing last spring - compared to previous years? Paulie came back shaking his head every day.

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 posted 02/25/2008 09:19 PM  

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Flounder fishing last year in the Western LIS sucked my left n_t and made the right one jealous.

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Location: Long Beach
 posted 02/25/2008 09:27 PM  

There has already been measures taken to help the flounder-later season start for example. What about helping the flounder in other ways? If men landed 15,000 flounder, how many did the cormorants eat?Why are there no stocking programs for the flounder? Why are non of the other issues impacting the flounder addressed in a meaningful way? Fishing for blackback flounder is part of my being and a longstanding tradition here on Long Island and elsewhere. I may as well sell my boat if I cant fish for them for a few weeks every spring. I would like to see some other things being done to help the flounder flourish - not just sock it to the fisherman once again.

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 posted 02/25/2008 10:06 PM  

The last buffalo hunt.

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