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My Go-To Blackfish Hook - The Mustad "Big Gun" #10829BLN

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Leprechaun
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 posted 11/22/2006 06:52 PM  

I've been testing this hook big time and so far in this young tog season I have yet to find an instance that it didn't do as well or better than the other entries in the togger's arsenal. You all know the hooks we think of when we go toggin' - the Virginia 4011e in a #3 0r #4 (fiddler-sized), the Gami Octopus in the 3/0 and 4/0 size and the Owner 4/0 SSW.

All of those have a shortcoming of one type or another. The Virginas are dull as can be out of the box - they need a touch-up with the hone before even thinking about using them. Cheap enough though to be thought of as "Dispos-a-hooks."

The Gami's are great hookers, but somewhat delicate - use a plier on them the wrong way, give that shank or hook bend the slightest of nicks and the odds go up that you can kiss the next really big fish goodbye. Pricey too.

The Owners are great hooks, no doubt about it - the 4/0 is about the size of a 3/0 Gami or #3 Virgina, and I have found the metallurgy to be superior to the Gami's. But that price - oy vey. While I've not used this hook all that often, on a late October CQ trip Dave/New Hampshire showed me the way home - outcatching me 10 to 2, me using my hand-honed #3 Virginias and he using the 4/0 Owners. Of course Dave is a damn sharp fisherman, but 10 to 2? Jeesh, talk about bad days. That was enough to get me thinking (rethinking, actually) about the whole tog hook scene and remembering that the hooks I like so much for bass in a 5/0 always looked real good in a smaller size for tog. So next CQ trip I used those hooks - WHAT A DIFFERENCE over the old-style Virginias. Beat on those fish big time, not a single failure (Including busting the hooks out of snags with my 50lb Spectron) and honestly, if I had 25 fish that day myself, I had one. Further testing showed excellent results on my home grounds here off Jones Inlet as well.

I do believe I'm onto the "Something better" here. Its the Mustad Big Gun Live Bait Hook - #10829BLN in a 2/0 size. These hooks run big for their size (Just as the Owners run small). A 2/0 Big Gun fits right in there with the #3 Virginia, the 3/0-4/0 Gami and the 4/0 Owner. These Mustads are out of the "Ultra Point" family of hyper-sharp hooks - I find them as sharp as the Owners - which is mighty sharp indeed.

The big advantages to these hooks are that 1/ they are made from MUCH heavier gauge wire than either of the Japanese hooks and 2/ that they cost around $10 for a 25 pack. As far as the metallurgy, there's just no way these hooks are gonna bend out on ANY size blackfish - one look at them and you'll see why. They were designed for WC light tuna fishing, and look it. Same length shank as those designer Far East hooks, but much thicker metal. Not as thick as the Gami 4X hooks of course - but those made the crab sit a bit "Funny" on the hook and so I've shyed away from them. Not to mention the 75-cents each those heavy-duty Gamis cost. For less than a quarter each these Mustad Big Games are a STEAL. And boy can they do some damage on light tapping tog. You know - those fish that you usually roll because they're just lippin' the bait. These hooks are every bit as good as a 3/0 Gami at hooking those light-hitting fish in the lip meat (if necessary), and yet have enough heft to them that a big hog tog will NEVER open one of these up.

I'm wasn't gonna say where I buy mine, out of purely selfish reasons, but heck its my first day back. So if you go over to Terminal Tackle you will find these little beauties sittin' on his east wall. For $10/25 pieces, try them. Believe me, you will really like 'em.

Best, Lep


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This post edited by Leprechaun 08:22 PM 09/20/2013
 
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 posted 11/22/2006 07:10 PM  

Any pic of them Lep?
And that day on the CQ was a fluke Smile
I outfished everybody! Smile


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 posted 11/22/2006 07:16 PM  

Whoa! I go away for a few days and look what happens!

B40 is Bgone.
Lep is back.
We lose Pluto.
Mets get another 40 yr old.

Oh, I guess nothing's really changed. Wink

Welcome back Pete.


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 posted 11/22/2006 07:21 PM  

I have not had a 4/0 Gama break on me yet but have heard about it.
The 5/0 as Jack says is alot stronger.
But I only use it when going for bigger fish.


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That is.


This post edited by new hampshire 07:37 PM 11/22/2006
 
Leprechaun
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 posted 11/22/2006 07:27 PM  

Look at this hook before writing it off. It also features the "Straight Eye" that many seem to prefer over the turned-down 40011e. The hook wire is just a squinch thicker than the diameter that the Virgina 3 offers - so though its much thicker than the Gami size for size, its not ridiculously thick. The look of extreme shock on the faces of many thievin' tog the past few weekends, along with the way that hook punched right though the tough mouths of those fish told me all I need to know about hook penetration, relative to these hooks.

I honestly don't see the need to use such a monster hook as a 5/0 Gami here in my part of the Bight. Not with the average fish in the 3-10lb range and all. Specifically targeting monsters, then O.K., I'd probably step up a bit to a 3/0 Big Gun. That's a plenty big hook, if you look at it - but since I'm as interested in seeing a 4lb fish bouncing in the fishbox as anyone, I tend to tone down the size of my hooks, looking to face-fit them to EVERY size fish, not just the monsters. I do agree that perhaps down off Cape May or somewhere that more of those true hogs swim a 5/0 size might be preferred. But up here? this 2/0 Big Gun is veddy nice. Veddy nice indeed. Like I said, worth a good look at them before writing them off. I bet you like what you all see.

Edit - I have seen two instances of 5/0 Gami Octopus hooks break clean at the bend while pulling on bass after putting relatively light plier pressure on them while unhooking a prior fish. Happened to us while bass fishing - both on fish around 25lbs. It wasn't a bend-opening issue I was refering to above, it was the clean shearing of the hook itself. I do believe a double-digit blackfish is every bit as strong as a 25lb bass, and those personal experiences are just one more reason I tend to steer of 1x-strong Gami Octopus hooks - in all sizes. Not one of my favorite hook styles. Pretty high on these Big Gun bad boys though.

Oh, and the Owner Aki hooks too. That's another story for another night.

Lep


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This post edited by Leprechaun 03:19 PM 01/07/2012
 
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 posted 11/22/2006 08:24 PM  

Leprechaun wrote:

The hook wire is just a squinch thicker than the diameter that the Virgina 3 offers -



How thick is a squinch? Smile

I'm not writing it off I am always up for trying new ideas. Thats whats fishings all about!




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 posted 11/22/2006 08:28 PM  

D - P.M. me your address and I'll send you a sample.

Lep


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 posted 11/22/2006 08:31 PM  

Thanks Lep,
snelled with 50 floro? Smile
Only kidding


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 posted 11/22/2006 08:48 PM  

Thaks Lep. I will have to take a look at those hooks myselfSmile Are they forged or a round wire design?

As for the Gami's I had 2 bend out on me a couple of years ago so I won;t ue them for tog anymore. I haven't had a problem yet with the 5/0 but I am still somewhat leary as with all forged hooks, they have extra strength along the plane intended to be used when fighing a fish but are correspondingly weaker in the side to side dimension. This is why I think there have been so many reports of broken hooks with the 4/0s. Once you use pliers etc. to pull a hook from a fish or pull the hook free from bottom structure, this dimension can be compromised.


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 posted 11/22/2006 11:19 PM  

Price at Cabela's

..... looks to be $7.99 for 25
 
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 posted 11/22/2006 11:31 PM  

The Mustad Ultra Points are VERY nice hooks, I've used them for other types of fishing and really really liked them for the above stated reasons.

REgarding the Gammies - 2 years ago the 4/0's did NOT bend as easily as they are bending now. Somethign definately changed at teh Gammie factory. Thi sis not an observation over a coupel fo 25 packs either, I've purchased about 6,000 hooks over the past 3 years and have spoken about this with several people and we are all in agreement. The 5/0s do not bend on Blackfish though, I've never seen one break, I don't doubt it happened but I suspect that if you are using aplier to remove the hook that may be teh cause of teh breakage.

A friend gave me a hook to try out, but I've yet to test them out. They are every bit as strong as teh Gammie's & Owners, but I do not like the offset bend in teh OCto style. I also did not like that they were silver, silver hooks makes me feel even more like a Googan thatn I already am.


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 posted 11/24/2006 03:25 PM  

you guys might want to check out these hooks I haven't had 1 bend or break on me yet. only ***** is that they aren't available in the u.s.a. as far as i can find and they only seem to come in red but the fish don't seem to mind lol
http://www.campbellsprotackle.com/store/cats/terminal.asp#cat138
 
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 posted 11/24/2006 04:50 PM  

I have used 4/0 gammies for the past 2 years and havent broken one yet....I will go back to throw away virginias when its a tough bottom and I am going to loose a ton of terminal tackle,but always sharpen them first..


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 posted 11/24/2006 05:45 PM  

Been using Gamagatsu hooks for a couple of years. 3/0 thru 5/0 size. Never had one break,never had one bend.
Like some other guys have said, on real tough sticky bottom, i swith to Virginias, but they do have to be sharpened out of the box.

THAT said......Let me pose a question to ALL (including myself) sport fishermen who contribute to this site..........Smile

If we continue to look for ways to "improve" our catch ratio, i.e. braided line, Chemically sharpened hooks,improved electronics, and never allow the fish we target to win once in awhile.......

Aren't we morphing ourselves into the mind set of the commercial fishermen whom we so vehmently complain about on this site?


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