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WWDLLudlum

Joined: 01/18/2006
Posts: 382
Location: Kings Park, NY
 posted 01/15/2013 10:35 PM  

I would like to know everyone's thoughts on reel selection vs. casting distance. Now I know that there are plenty of fish right up in the wash, but sometimes that extra 10 or 15 yards can mean a big difference. It seems to me there are two thoughts to reel design. Some seem to use the taller spool while some the larger diameter spool. When looking at the high end reels like Zeebass and Van Stall they favor the larger diameter, while the Saltigas and Stellas have taller spools.
 
tman1

Joined: 11/01/2002
Posts: 918
Location: West Sayville, NY
 posted 01/16/2013 07:52 AM  

Most "long cast" reels have the elongated spool design... the VS is not known as a "distance" reel. The larger diameter spools such as VS, were preferred when everyone was using mono... along with the 75mm stripper guides on rods.

I think you have to think of your outfit (rod, reel, line) as a system and match each component in order to maximize casting distance.

If you really want distance go conventional....
 
1ZXguy

Joined: 03/24/2009
Posts: 97
Location: Ronkonkoma , L.I
 posted 01/16/2013 12:09 PM  

My latest and so far my best for distance is a 12ft, CTS-VAPOR TRAIL-3to6 oz. with a ZeeBaaS ZX27 on it. With 50lb. spiderwire and a 3oz.kastmaster, or a 3 1/2 oz. plug,I'm throwing over 700ft. and trying for more. That works for me, and got a lot bass out there last season. Good Luck with what ever setup you buy. up


~~PETE~~
MSA#638
Long Distance Surfcaster
 
WWDLLudlum

Joined: 01/18/2006
Posts: 382
Location: Kings Park, NY
 posted 01/16/2013 01:01 PM  

Tman1, you did bring up my next question about the stripper guide and I didn't even consider line. Probably if using mono the larger diamter spools is better becasue your line will not form those tight coils.

1ZXguy do you think you would get comprable distance if you used a reel with a longer but smaller diamter spool compared to your ZeeBaas when using braid?
 
1ZXguy

Joined: 03/24/2009
Posts: 97
Location: Ronkonkoma , L.I
 posted 01/16/2013 01:55 PM  

WWDLLudlum wrote:

Tman1, you did bring up my next question about the stripper guide and I didn't even consider line. Probably if using mono the larger diamter spools is better becasue your line will not form those tight coils.

1ZXguy do you think you would get comprable distance if you used a reel with a longer but smaller diamter spool compared to your ZeeBaas when using braid?


No, because some of reels i have tried (shimano-daiwa)the spools can't take 300 plus yards. I can get more distance however if i drop down to 20 or 25lb. braid,but i'm 6ft. 285lb's and throw very hard so sometimes i'll snap the line. Also VS reels have a rotor cover (skirt) that the line hits coming off the spool. I also don't like or use any reel with a bail wire on it.You can lose a plug if it trips when casting. Other things are where you put the reel seat, type of guides, and the weight of the rod, The CTS rod i use is very thin and only about 12oz's .


~~PETE~~
MSA#638
Long Distance Surfcaster


This post edited by 1ZXguy 04:50 PM 01/16/2013
 
frankiesurf

Joined: 05/26/2007
Posts: 1160
 posted 01/16/2013 05:23 PM  

If you are using the Van Staal correctly, the flyer or skirt does not come in contact with the line during your cast.

Before you cast, rotate the handle to the down position. This will extend the spool to its highest point which will not cause any interference when casting.
 
1ZXguy

Joined: 03/24/2009
Posts: 97
Location: Ronkonkoma , L.I
 posted 01/16/2013 07:27 PM  

frankiesurf wrote:

If you are using the Van Staal correctly, the flyer or skirt does not come in contact with the line during your cast.

Before you cast, rotate the handle to the down position. This will extend the spool to its highest point which will not cause any interference when casting.


I agree, but when your into alot bass or in water up to your chest that's hard remember to do.The ZB has no skirt, and has dule roller guides, you don't even have to look at the reel .


~~PETE~~
MSA#638
Long Distance Surfcaster
 
OverTheBar

Joined: 01/20/2005
Posts: 141
Location: SE PA
 posted 02/04/2013 01:31 PM  

1ZXguy wrote:

My latest and so far my best for distance is a 12ft, CTS-VAPOR TRAIL-3to6 oz. with a ZeeBaaS ZX27 on it. With 50lb. spiderwire and a 3oz.kastmaster, or a 3 1/2 oz. plug,I'm throwing over 700ft. and trying for more.


I'm in total disbelief . . .













No, really, I mean I don't believe you.





This post edited by OverTheBar 01:31 PM 02/04/2013
 
calfarmli

Joined: 07/10/2001
Posts: 147
Location: Farmingdale L I
 posted 02/04/2013 02:55 PM  

1ZXguy wrote:

My latest and so far my best for distance is a 12ft, CTS-VAPOR TRAIL-3to6 oz. with a ZeeBaaS ZX27 on it. With 50lb. spiderwire and a 3oz.kastmaster, or a 3 1/2 oz. plug,I'm throwing over 700ft. and trying for more. That works for me, and got a lot bass out there last season. Good Luck with what ever setup you buy. up


I'd LOVE to see that.700 ft are you sure.ConfusedConfusedConfused



This post edited by calfarmli 02:57 PM 02/04/2013
 
frankiesurf

Joined: 05/26/2007
Posts: 1160
 posted 02/04/2013 05:58 PM  

1ZXguy wrote:

frankiesurf wrote:

If you are using the Van Staal correctly, the flyer or skirt does not come in contact with the line during your cast.

Before you cast, rotate the handle to the down position. This will extend the spool to its highest point which will not cause any interference when casting.


I agree, but when your into alot bass or in water up to your chest that's hard remember to do.The ZB has no skirt, and has dule roller guides, you don't even have to look at the reel .



It becomes second nature. I do it when I am skishing in 4ft seas and into fish. Not that big of a deal. I did that with my zx-25 and it filled with water so I would much rather go with the VS.

 
1ZXguy

Joined: 03/24/2009
Posts: 97
Location: Ronkonkoma , L.I
 posted 02/04/2013 06:22 PM  

OverTheBar wrote:

1ZXguy wrote:

My latest and so far my best for distance is a 12ft, CTS-VAPOR TRAIL-3to6 oz. with a ZeeBaaS ZX27 on it. With 50lb. spiderwire and a 3oz.kastmaster, or a 3 1/2 oz. plug,I'm throwing over 700ft. and trying for more.


I'm in total disbelief . . .













No, really, I mean I don't believe you.




I really don't care


~~PETE~~
MSA#638
Long Distance Surfcaster
 
chunkster


Joined: 05/06/2009
Posts: 4597
Location: Password
 posted 02/04/2013 07:46 PM  

I'm thinking at least 800 feet.

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OverTheBar

Joined: 01/20/2005
Posts: 141
Location: SE PA
 posted 02/04/2013 09:56 PM  

1ZXguy wrote:

OverTheBar wrote:

1ZXguy wrote:

My latest and so far my best for distance is a 12ft, CTS-VAPOR TRAIL-3to6 oz. with a ZeeBaaS ZX27 on it. With 50lb. spiderwire and a 3oz.kastmaster, or a 3 1/2 oz. plug,I'm throwing over 700ft. and trying for more.


I'm in total disbelief . . .













No, really, I mean I don't believe you.




I really don't care



Well, that's obvious.

As someone who has actually cast a measured 700ft with spinner fishing equipment, I will plainly say that you are plainly full of crap.

That 700ft cast? What did you catch at the end of it, a 178 pound striped bass? LOL


 
OverTheBar

Joined: 01/20/2005
Posts: 141
Location: SE PA
 posted 02/04/2013 10:32 PM  

To the OP, tall and small diameter spools perform much better for distance (with braid) than short and wide diameter spools.

An engineered line wrap also contributes to distance. Daiwa's have relied on a 5° wrap geometry but Shimano has perfected a slow oscillation that lays the line very close to the previous wrap. My Shimano's with 35mm tall spools perform as well as my Daiwa's with 45mm spools.

Daiwas:





Daiwa 5° line wrap:



Shimanos:





Shimano engineered line wrap, 0ver 100 rotor rotations for each stroke of the spool (orange line is casting leader):








This post edited by OverTheBar 10:33 PM 02/04/2013
 
chunkster


Joined: 05/06/2009
Posts: 4597
Location: Password
 posted 02/04/2013 10:43 PM  

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