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Sounddevil

Joined: 09/04/2001
Posts: 32
 posted 03/23/2002 04:30 PM  

Ok this may not be to popular but I am gonna do it anyway. After seeing all
the reports since saturday it raises some concern. At what point does someone
step in and say that the flounder population is in trouble? That side of the
industry needs serious help. It worked for the Bass, why not for flounder? I
own a tackle shop and believe me a moratorium would hurt me. But I can
remember when Oyster bay on the sound side was loaded with fish. Now you can
fish all day and come home with one for the whole boat.It's just a little
scary that this has not been addressed.In the past five years I have refused
to keep any flounder. And it hurt to throw some nice fish back. But I worry
because where are all the small fish?

Just a thought.

 
LkyLindy


Joined: 11/12/2000
Posts: 3296
Location: StonyBrook
 posted 03/23/2002 05:03 PM  

winter flounder trouble

Absolutely correct-It almost doesn't pay for a private boater to winter flounder fish.Of course we all(old timers) remember the 50's and 60's when the sound was paved with 'em.With the proper management ,perhaps the fishery could make a comeback. I could never understand why the feds or states don,t shut down the fishery for whatever time it takes or create harsher regs.Look I love all you guys in the industry but we all have to bite the bullet until the fishery recovers-it will then pay off in spades for all. unfortunately this all has the smell of politics as usual .I don't understand how we get our chops busted over summmer flounder(fluke) which seem to be doing nicely but the flounder are still open game--Can anyone explain this situation?


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jat56

Joined: 08/22/2001
Posts: 206
 posted 03/23/2002 09:41 PM  

flounder

Exactly, how come we can keep 8 fluke, which is common and we are allowed to keep 15 flounder which is almost impossible. does not make sense to me
 
jat56

Joined: 08/22/2001
Posts: 206
 posted 03/23/2002 09:56 PM  

one more thing

i wonder if there is really a decline in the fish population or could it be the fact that on any weekend of nice weather that there is about 10 times the amount of boats fishing as there use to be "in the good old days". Same # of fish being caught but just to many anglers
 
LkyLindy


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Location: StonyBrook
 posted 03/24/2002 12:48 AM  

Flounder Trouble

Jat-

Yes its true that fisherman have increased-but how come Fluke for instance can stand up to the increase,but not flounder?No- overfishing and too high limits that make no sense are the problems


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bucktail

Joined: 02/17/2001
Posts: 1764
Location: In God's country, protected by the Dongan Patent
 posted 03/24/2002 08:59 AM  

winter flounder

How about the fact that there are a lot more seals around today compared to the "good old days"? When the seal population was kept in check, there seemed to be enough flounder to go around. Also the guys using fykes during the winter to target pre-spawn flounder can not be helping the situation either. Perhaps shutting down the fishery for all user groups might help the resource to recover, who knows?
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Orange

Joined: 03/03/2002
Posts: 30
 posted 03/24/2002 12:27 PM  

Cormorants

Proper managment of the stock it critical and addressing the impact the the cormorant has had on juvenile flounder is a significant piece of that. Since the cormorant was introduced to Long Island Sound they have florished and their population has exploded. I have watched as bird afer bird dives and surfaces with a 2-3" flounder in its bill. A single bird will eat 4-5/hour all day long X thousands of birds = bushels of full grown fish if they reached maturity. You can reduce flounder bag limits, both commercial and recreational, and close season but unless something is done about the cormorants, the return to the "good old days" will be long coming.
 
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Joined: 08/02/2000
Posts: 1913
Location: Commack, NY
 posted 03/24/2002 12:55 PM  

I’m not sure I agree with the natural predator theory, but I am sure that there were many more people fishing back in the 70’s and 80’s. For example, according to numbers kept by the National Marine Fisheries Service there were over 800,000 people fishing in 1984 and today there are less than 450,000. There are a lot more private boat anglers around today but the party boat fleet has declined to about 10% of what it was back then as has boat rental stations.

No one is certain as to what exactly needs to be done to restore the fishery, but I personally think we should start by shutting down the spawning season to commercials, just as it is for recreational anglers, and eliminate dragging them as they enter and leave the bays. I’m not sure it’s a cure all but it would definitely be a step in the right direction.

What we really need is for recreational anglers to take an interest in this fishery the way we did striped bass, then and only then will we see a return of this once popular fishery.



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LkyLindy


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 posted 03/24/2002 06:06 PM  

Flounder

Amen brother


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schoolman


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 posted 03/24/2002 06:25 PM  

Moratorium

Moratorium yes!! Sure I


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schoolman


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 posted 03/24/2002 06:38 PM  

Moratorium


Here's my 2 c's:
Moratorium, yes!! Sure, I am aware of the consequences to many, but if we don't do something soon there will be nothing to discuss in the future and we can kiss off flounder fishing for our grandchildren and the rest of mankind. It baffles me that so much effort and more stringent regulations have been put into fluke and scup recently, despite the fact that they recovered nicely more than 2-3 years ago. Are our fish managers, the DEC and NMFS, blind or is fishy politics the reason, as was implied by someone on this board earlier?
Frustrated I am, as are countless other flounder diehards. Let's do something! How about it folks?


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Sounddevil

Joined: 09/04/2001
Posts: 32
 posted 03/24/2002 06:39 PM  

I know i'll get hung for this!

Ok here goes another unpopular thought. Lets all take a nuetral step back and look at the situation. Lets watch the progressive curve of the downfall. Mid eighties the powers that be put in affect a very agressive plan for stripers. About the time that the bass begin to make a come back bunker boats slam the region. Now all these fish begin to filter out of the hudson and are very hungry. If my memory serves me correct The flounder begin to pull out of the harbors around mid april. Ok now we have a bunker deficit due to spotter air craft and the Bunker boats. Now during 1990 and 1991 the flounder population was fine. On the head boat I was employed we had a gentleman from NMFS. come out to study. Well after that a noticable curve in both populations happened. Bass soar and flounder plummet. Also the introduction of the hot new striper lure hits(the Petri fish). I think that if the powers that be lighten up the bass reg's we will see in the near future(about six years)the flounder make a come back. Well I know that this will not be a popular post with the bass sportsman. But we all know that when we get in mothernatures affairs something gets offset.

Again its just an opinion.
 
steeve

Joined: 12/23/2001
Posts: 30
 posted 03/24/2002 09:02 PM  

The problem is all of the above! And probably a few more that haven't benn mentioned, power plants, pollution, global warming, the french,iranians, jews, italians, but it couldn't be because of us! ..Steve
 
baywatch


Joined: 10/10/2001
Posts: 5514
Location: Cape Coral, Fl. was LI for 52 Yrs
 posted 03/25/2002 01:16 PM  

I agree with Steve and all aof the above. The people that keep the shorts and anything that gets on the line usally goes home for diner. The people who read these post are truley concerned about our pastime and we should start policeing ourselves. I have been by the RM Bridge and seen people MOORED up to the strucure of the bridge and taking 4-6 inch seabass. If these same culprits are doing this to seabass what do think they do to everything else. The only trounle is that there are not enough DEC boats to get all these rat *&%#!#$ .
It seems that we all are concerned about these problems and what can be done. If some one reads this post who has any politcal influence we should organize and meet with these people to voice our concerns.
BCMeyer
 
bucktail

Joined: 02/17/2001
Posts: 1764
Location: In God's country, protected by the Dongan Patent
 posted 03/25/2002 05:18 PM  

winter flounder

AMEN SOUNDEVIL!!!!!!!


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