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rules are rules. Period. Catch a big fish illegally is cheating..

The Striped Bass is a marvel of nature... read up about it's abilities and uniqueness....

I guess the lowly codfish is now the prized possession these days. Confused

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posted 11/06/2009 08:37 AM

Just trying to catch up a bit. Smile

What's a petafile?

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posted 11/06/2009 09:32 AM

rebirthofham wrote:
not condoning using short blackfish for bait.

But, learn to catch menhaden? That's a viable option. If these Massachusetts boats and non nj boats stop coming in and raping our menhaden population to take them back up north. The bunker run this year has been pitiful compared to the past few years.

Keeping shorts is a crime, and yeah it does suck. They ARE affecting the population. But you can't honestly believe that people using shorts as bait is affecting the population of fish stocks NEARLY as much as any commercial boat. Might not be the commercials fault either, as they're simply following the rules and taking as much as they can get under the law. But bycatch sucks, and so does the insane amount of fish/undersized fish, they're allowed to keep. But if that's the law, and you follow it, how can you blame them? Gotta focus on changing the law.

If you guys want to pick a fight, this is not the way to do it. Even if you win this fight, and successfully stop all fisherman from using shorts, you will only see an incremental increase in fish stock. Maybe not even see a noticeable increase at all, considering anything released is probably being netted and sold at the market.

Once again, not condoning keeping shorts. Just think there's a much better way to expend your energy fighting a meaningful battle, instead of picking little fights that gain you little to nothing in better fish stock, regulations, etc.

Those guys are breaking the law. Plain and simple. No different then throwing twenty shorts into the well to fillet later. Some recs. comms, fish within the law, these guys aren't. Nothing more, nothing less. Book 'em Dan O

Your right, we need to unify, I've been involved with CCA for over ten years. Now some will blast me for that. Their entitled to opinion. right or wrong. But I'm trying. When you figure out how to pull us all together, let me know. There's been infighting among SW recs. since we needed regulations. Why isn't there infighting in Hunting and Freshwater fishing. Because the government has stepped in and managed exactly where we can go, what we can take, when and how many. Keep fighting....we now have a license, that's just the start.
Maybe it's what's always been needed since it's obvious from this thread alone, and there are many others, we're no way on the same page.

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posted 11/06/2009 10:13 AM

That seagull was eating a winter flounder

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posted 11/06/2009 10:16 AM

looks like a sundial.. almost transparent..

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posted 11/06/2009 10:41 AM

likeitreallyis wrote:
looks like a sundial.. almost transparent..

Def a Sundial.

I catch my own bunker, thats all the bait i need to catch striped trash. There is no reason to use short tog as bait, i just dont see the reasoning behind it when there are legal alternatives that will yield the same results.

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posted 11/06/2009 05:24 PM

reelfun wrote:
oop's hit a nerve, getting personal, foul!!!!!!!foul!!!!!shame on you jimgleiss. Not sure what you disagree with.

Please do post the definition of a poacher.

Shame on me? First you say calling them "poachers" is too harsh, then you compare them to people that sexually assualt children. There are no words that are too harsh for pedophiles! Maybe you think otherwise. Should I cry foul?

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posted 11/06/2009 05:37 PM

STRIPED TRASH!!!

fishhead1985 wrote:
I don't think stripers are "trash," by any means. I think they are a great gamefish, and I'm excited about going for some really big ones in the spring (my largest ever was 38" long; maybe 22-23 pounds). However, it isn't worth using a 'tog as bait for anything.

It's just a nickname myself, and other guys who fish for species that actually require effort to catch ( such as tog,and YES codfish) like to use. Gets the surf guys especially riled up every time, as you can see Toungue

It's terrific you have been reading about tog your whole life, and I thank you for not taking offense to what I said, everyone was new at one time. Glad you love toggin so much, hope you stick with it and soon enough, you'll be posting pics of tog three times the size of that one Shades

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liJRtt

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posted 11/06/2009 05:50 PM

since striped trash require zero skill to catch, we consider them an annoyance on my boat....very similar to doggies surprise

Definately wouldn't be crying like some of you over using a short as bait, although I am a little annoyed that someone would use a much superior fish as bait for the lowly trash fish. If your so annoyed, become eco....don't sit here and cry about it.

likeitreallyis wrote:
I guess the lowly codfish is now the prized possession these days.

How would you know about codfish while sitting home all winter, snuggled up with ur bf Confused

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posted 11/06/2009 10:18 PM

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Thanks; I already think that 'Togs are the ultimate. And that 4-pounder (my biggest to date; I admit it) put up quite a fight! In my area (I've been fishing the Western Sound, close to where I live), I don't think I'll be able to count on getting something much past 8-pounds. That's why I'm going to Shrewsbury in Winter time, probably both on the IC and with a 1st mate/friend. That being said, you never know when that monster is going to strike.

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posted 11/07/2009 12:20 AM

Boy I wish I was as good as those two guys. They really know there stuff. A mod belittleing fish that many of his paying advertisers fish for & count on for business & the cod king that probably would cry if he had to schuck 5 bushels of skimmer in 20 degree weather. Man I wish I was as good as them. Shades

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posted 11/07/2009 04:12 AM

Poacher is a harsh term that is better suited to the description of a hunter or fisherman taking endangered species from protected lands, very serious! When you say poacher I picture someone shooting an elephant between the eyes and cutting off their tusks. I hardly think a person using a few small blackfish for bait is in the same class. By definition poacher is a correct term for the taking of small fish. By deed I think using the word and its connotation is overblown in the case of live bait fishing. I feel calling live bait fisherman poachers is an overreaction to a questionable practice.

Considering that the small fish is not killed or removed from the environment is it still poaching by definition? It is only placed on a hook to allow it to be more easily eaten. Since they are part of the food chain this probably would have happened anyhow.

Fisherfile, this was kind of a pun Hence the suggestion of a new word ‘fisherfile’. The fisherfile likes to use young blackfish for bait. It was used as a parallel not comparison to petafile also spelled pedophile. Right or wrong I’ve seen it spelled both ways. Sorry you misunderstood.

jimgleiss We disagree on the severity of using young fish with a high mortality rate for bait. That’s ok. Actually, by using small blackfish for bait you are helping the species not hurting it. A large stripebass eats lots of blackfish. That’s why they are great bait. So if you use a couple of small blackfish to catch and kill a stripebass you are responsible for saving many blackfish. Like any war there will be sacrifices.

In the overall view of things in a very large biomass the amount of blackfish sacrificed in this manner is immeasurable and a very small percentage of the mortality rate. If the tog numbers are down there is another reason for it.

FYI, I don’t bother with the live blackfish thing. It’s more trouble than it’s worth. I do fine without them. Best bass this year was 49 pounds (eel). Bunker and eel’s work fine along with bunker spoons and large plugs to name a few. The large rubber baits bounced along the bottom are surprising. I would rather use an artificial lure.

It hardly seems worth the effort or expense to waste the time of the DEC or any other organization to check everybody’s live bait well. They are not sitting by the phone waiting for you to call. LOL, not happening. To do this they would have to be overstaffed increasing your taxes. Then you would complain they don’t have enough to do.

Man continues to upset the balance of nature. Get use to it! In some way we are all part of the problem. Nothing goes on forever! Right?

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posted 11/07/2009 04:28 AM

twinscrew wrote:
Boy I wish I was as good as those two guys. They really know there stuff. A mod belittleing fish that many of his paying advertisers fish for & count on for business & the cod king that probably would cry if he had to schuck 5 bushels of skimmer in 20 degree weather. Man I wish I was as good as them.

Take your meds yet TwinScrewLoose Roll

? It's called a J-O-K-E. And here I thought you were a tough guy who shucks skimmers in 20 degree weather Toungue

Sorry, someone who isn't from the almighty Bay had something to say about fishing. You know exactly what I mean Finger

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posted 11/07/2009 07:21 AM

paulh wrote:
You should direct your anger at the seabass closure, the four tog limit and short season, the RIDICULOUS fluke regs, licensing, and everyone's right to fish (and make a living for some) being threatened. Guys keep a couple of shorts for bait, get over it and mind your own business.

There are MUCH bigger fish to fry and this is what you are worried about ??

The guys keeping "a couple of shorts for bait" are one of the reasons for the "seabass closure, the four tog limit and short season, the RIDICULOUS fluke regs, licensing," that you mentioned.

Since this behavior threatens my enjoyment of fishing it is my business.

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posted 11/07/2009 08:49 AM

reelfun wrote:
Poacher is a harsh term that is better suited to the description of a hunter or fisherman taking endangered species from protected lands, very serious! When you say poacher I picture someone shooting an elephant between the eyes and cutting off their tusks. I hardly think a person using a few small blackfish for bait is in the same class. By definition poacher is a correct term for the taking of small fish. By deed I think using the word and its connotation is overblown in the case of live bait fishing. I feel calling live bait fisherman poachers is an overreaction to a questionable practice.

Considering that the small fish is not killed or removed from the environment is it still poaching by definition? It is only placed on a hook to allow it to be more easily eaten. Since they are part of the food chain this probably would have happened anyhow.

Fisherfile, this was kind of a pun Hence the suggestion of a new word ‘fisherfile’. The fisherfile likes to use young blackfish for bait. It was used as a parallel not comparison to petafile also spelled pedophile. Right or wrong I’ve seen it spelled both ways. Sorry you misunderstood.

jimgleiss We disagree on the severity of using young fish with a high mortality rate for bait. That’s ok. Actually, by using small blackfish for bait you are helping the species not hurting it. A large stripebass eats lots of blackfish. That’s why they are great bait. So if you use a couple of small blackfish to catch and kill a stripebass you are responsible for saving many blackfish. Like any war there will be sacrifices.

In the overall view of things in a very large biomass the amount of blackfish sacrificed in this manner is immeasurable and a very small percentage of the mortality rate. If the tog numbers are down there is another reason for it.

FYI, I don’t bother with the live blackfish thing. It’s more trouble than it’s worth. I do fine without them. Best bass this year was 49 pounds (eel). Bunker and eel’s work fine along with bunker spoons and large plugs to name a few. The large rubber baits bounced along the bottom are surprising. I would rather use an artificial lure.

It hardly seems worth the effort or expense to waste the time of the DEC or any other organization to check everybody’s live bait well. They are not sitting by the phone waiting for you to call. LOL, not happening. To do this they would have to be overstaffed increasing your taxes. Then you would complain they don’t have enough to do.

Man continues to upset the balance of nature. Get use to it! In some way we are all part of the problem. Nothing goes on forever! Right?

Wow, so you have now decided what the impact of using short illegal fish is on the population ! Your logic and rationalization on this practice is astounding. What if everyone who fished decided to use short fish for bait of kept illegal sized fish ? What impact do you think that would have on the population ??

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