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jimgleiss

I'm with you. I'm not going to mind my own ******* business. Not on this one.

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fishhead1985

Joined: 08/29/2009
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posted 11/05/2009 03:38 PM

Enough

It's all bullshit! I don't care if you use your goddamn fluke bellies to catch a bigger fluke. I don't care if you stomp robins to death for eating too many winter flounder. But using a short 'tog for stripers and blues. Learn to catch a stinking menhaden! That's what they are there for.

What's next? Using schoolie stripers to catch blues? Oh, wait. That's already happening!

"Color outside the lines. Practice random acts of kindness and senseless acts of beauty. This is your last chance." Anne Herbert

This post edited by fishhead1985 03:39 PM 11/05/2009

rebirthofham

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posted 11/05/2009 03:43 PM

not condoning using short blackfish for bait.

But, learn to catch menhaden? That's a viable option. If these Massachusetts boats and non nj boats stop coming in and raping our menhaden population to take them back up north. The bunker run this year has been pitiful compared to the past few years.

Keeping shorts is a crime, and yeah it does suck. They ARE affecting the population. But you can't honestly believe that people using shorts as bait is affecting the population of fish stocks NEARLY as much as any commercial boat. Might not be the commercials fault either, as they're simply following the rules and taking as much as they can get under the law. But bycatch sucks, and so does the insane amount of fish/undersized fish, they're allowed to keep. But if that's the law, and you follow it, how can you blame them? Gotta focus on changing the law.

If you guys want to pick a fight, this is not the way to do it. Even if you win this fight, and successfully stop all fisherman from using shorts, you will only see an incremental increase in fish stock. Maybe not even see a noticeable increase at all, considering anything released is probably being netted and sold at the market.

Once again, not condoning keeping shorts. Just think there's a much better way to expend your energy fighting a meaningful battle, instead of picking little fights that gain you little to nothing in better fish stock, regulations, etc.

DSF247

Joined: 07/25/2009
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posted 11/05/2009 03:53 PM

rebirthofham wrote:
not condoning using short blackfish for bait.

But, learn to catch menhaden? That's a viable option. If these Massachusetts boats and non nj boats stop coming in and raping our menhaden population to take them back up north. The bunker run this year has been pitiful compared to the past few years.

Keeping shorts is a crime, and yeah it does suck. They ARE affecting the population. But you can't honestly believe that people using shorts as bait is affecting the population of fish stocks NEARLY as much as any commercial boat. Might not be the commercials fault either, as they're simply following the rules and taking as much as they can get under the law. But bycatch sucks, and so does the insane amount of fish/undersized fish, they're allowed to keep. But if that's the law, and you follow it, how can you blame them? Gotta focus on changing the law.

If you guys want to pick a fight, this is not the way to do it. Even if you win this fight, and successfully stop all fisherman from using shorts, you will only see an incremental increase in fish stock. Maybe not even see a noticeable increase at all, considering anything released is probably being netted and sold at the market.

Once again, not condoning keeping shorts. Just think there's a much better way to expend your energy fighting a meaningful battle, instead of picking little fights that gain you little to nothing in better fish stock, regulations, etc.

Totally agree with you there, in-fighting is a lose-lose proposition.

outrageous21
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posted 11/05/2009 05:05 PM

I have seen more bunker this summer than any other year. None by JI this fall though.

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posted 11/05/2009 05:27 PM

DSF247 wrote:
rebirthofham wrote:
not condoning using short blackfish for bait.

But, learn to catch menhaden? That's a viable option. If these Massachusetts boats and non nj boats stop coming in and raping our menhaden population to take them back up north. The bunker run this year has been pitiful compared to the past few years.

Keeping shorts is a crime, and yeah it does suck. They ARE affecting the population. But you can't honestly believe that people using shorts as bait is affecting the population of fish stocks NEARLY as much as any commercial boat. Might not be the commercials fault either, as they're simply following the rules and taking as much as they can get under the law. But bycatch sucks, and so does the insane amount of fish/undersized fish, they're allowed to keep. But if that's the law, and you follow it, how can you blame them? Gotta focus on changing the law.

If you guys want to pick a fight, this is not the way to do it. Even if you win this fight, and successfully stop all fisherman from using shorts, you will only see an incremental increase in fish stock. Maybe not even see a noticeable increase at all, considering anything released is probably being netted and sold at the market.

Once again, not condoning keeping shorts. Just think there's a much better way to expend your energy fighting a meaningful battle, instead of picking little fights that gain you little to nothing in better fish stock, regulations, etc.

Totally agree with you there, in-fighting is a lose-lose proposition.

Yep. That about sums it all up. But, as individuals who are fishing as a sport, the whole keeping shorts thing is totally unsportsmanlike. The size limits and regs are what make it a sport. It would be one thing if we were simple people that took a few fish a day to eat and took the babies if you needed food and couldnt get anything else to eat. We're not. Especially with tog. I had days where I caught tons of shorts and only one or two keepers. The sharpies got double limits plus. If I weighed all mine against all theirs we'd probably be even. The way i see it, that's the difference between fishing as a sport and the comercial business of fishing on swords.

I still don't know why you would put that sticker on the stop sign at walgreens???

twinscrew

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posted 11/05/2009 06:12 PM

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posted 11/05/2009 06:54 PM

Wow!

fishhead1985 wrote:
It's all bullshit! I don't care if you use your goddamn fluke bellies to catch a bigger fluke. I don't care if you stomp robins to death for eating too many winter flounder. But using a short 'tog for stripers and blues. Learn to catch a stinking menhaden! That's what they are there for.

What's next? Using schoolie stripers to catch blues? Oh, wait. That's already happening!

Hate to see how you'd get if something that is truly awful happened Roll

Why is it ok to "stomp sea robins to death because they eat baby flounder" ( where in the world did you get that,anyway Confused

?) but not ok to use a short tog for bait? I saw a comment from another member that "porgies are one thing but not blackfish". Guess it's not cool to use shorts for bait, unless you don't care about that particular species Roll

. Just like how people scream about "more enforcement", but when they get turned away from the beach at a fishing licence checkpoint, then suddenly the DEC are a bunch of Nazis harrasing the working man Roll

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Guys, yes there are many ways to catch the grand exhalted striped trash, and people should learn how to fish for them without having to resort to using short blacks, porgies, whatever. But, Paulh and a couple other guys make a great point. It would be far more beneficial to every fisherman if you all got half as bent out of shape over excessively restrictive and unneccessary regs, the licence shakedown, MPAs, and God knows what else that will be coming down the pike in the future.

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This post edited by JC30967 06:57 PM 11/05/2009

JACKSON

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posted 11/05/2009 07:14 PM

jdc946 wrote:
you are entitled to your opinion. I just hope you are not one of the guys doing it, and if you are, i hope that i see you, because i will turn you into the police and wait around to testify against you!

Good to know, thanks Roll

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JACKSON

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posted 11/05/2009 07:28 PM

jimgleiss wrote:
You're either with us, or you're with the poachers. Poachers be warned!

You guys are out of your f-ing minds. I am definitely not with you and I am not with the poachers. I just don't feel it's our place to rat everyone out. You should post all this on a DEC website or something if you feel so strongly. This type of thread detracts from good fishing discussion and deters new members from positing because they're worried about being scolded...LOL.
I'm surprised the administration of this site allows so many of these types of useless threads carry to on. No one here is going to bust your short blackfish fisherman and if you want to educated the public on this matter..... you just did. Now more guys will be live-lining shorts for bass.

Rich

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This post edited by JACKSON 08:06 PM 11/05/2009

reelfun

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posted 11/05/2009 08:13 PM

Consider the total number of young blackfish that are eaten by mature stripebass. What percentage of that or how many do you think were used for bait? My guess a very small percentage.

Now how many do you think the dogfish eat? Too many!

I think the law should allow using juvenile fish less than x inches for bait. The mortality rate is so high they wouldn't be missed.

It hardly seems worth the effort or expense to waste the time of the DEC or anyother organization to enforce not using small fish for bait.

CaptLarryH

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posted 11/05/2009 08:29 PM

JACKSON wrote:
jimgleiss wrote:
You're either with us, or you're with the poachers. Poachers be warned!

You guys are out of your f-ing minds. I am definitely not with you and I am not with the poachers. I just don't feel it's our place to rat everyone out. You should post all this on a DEC website or something if you feel so strongly. This type of thread detracts from good fishing discussion and deters new members from positing because they're worried about being scolded...LOL.
I'm surprised the administration of this site allows so many of these types of useless threads carry to on. No one here is going to bust your short blackfish fisherman and if you want to educated the public on this matter..... you just did. Now more guys will be live-lining shorts for bass.

New members are going to be deterred from posting here because members on this site are against poachers and people who are breaking the law ??? If thats the case , those are the kind of members this site doesn't need.

You run a charter business, right ? Your not against people breaking the fishing regulations ? What if more people were breaking the regulations and the fish population was negatively impacted. Couldnt that have a negative impact on your business ? Your livelihood depends on a thriving fish population, without that you are out of business. You should be happy there are plenty of people on this site who care about the well being of the fisheries whether it's being against small time poaching or much larger issues that many on this site fight for.

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fishhead1985

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posted 11/05/2009 08:43 PM

A sport

For me, fishing is a real sport. I consider myself an athlete and, more importantly, a sportsman. That is why stories like this make me ill.

"Color outside the lines. Practice random acts of kindness and senseless acts of beauty. This is your last chance." Anne Herbert

movetheboat

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posted 11/05/2009 08:54 PM

I would seriously think twice about using those short blackfish for BAIT!! Finger

They taste so damn good that size it's a waste!!

reelfun

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posted 11/05/2009 09:05 PM

Wrong

Actually by using small blackfish for bait you are helping the species not hurting it. A large stripebass eats lots of blackfish. So if you use a couple of small blackfish to catch and kill a stripebass you are responsible for saving many blackfish.

CaptLarryH