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DNV is functionally-equivalent to Standard & Poors or Moody's in the financial markets. Not quite objective.

A company pays THEM to evaluate a product (the marine barely makes it into their website). DNV doesn't bear any financial responsibility for its ratings, they're just informed opinions.

I'd like to hear what a naval architect would have to say about this boat. it looks unstable in a Strong Gale (Beaufort) and its ports of call are likely to be equatorial. we all know that these islands are never in the track of hurricanes Roll

and island topography is so mountainous that the ports are all stormproof

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posted 11/02/2009 03:02 PM

monster seas and big ships

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posted 11/02/2009 09:41 PM

DNV is no neigborhood appraiser. They are a worldwide standard for modern shipbuilding.Here's a clue.

Also,don't be so disrespectful of the vessel's beam. I doubt you could roll a vessel w/ those dimensions if it had a ten foot draft. And do you really think they would invest 1 1/2 billion dollars into a design that wasn't extensively tested and proven by computer model? Nor would it be insured, or licensed to carry passengers, unless several very demanding agencies were saisfied by not only computer simulations, but inclined stability and intact and damaged stability tests.

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posted 11/02/2009 10:01 PM

CaptPaul wrote:
DNV is no neigborhood appraiser. They are a worldwide standard for modern shipbuilding.Here's a clue.
Paul

just like S&P and Moody's. they were the "worldwide standard" for rating financial instruments and when the poop hit the fan they hid behind the 1st Amendment. NO financial responsibility.

here's the truth: modern cruise ships are a design abomination and I don't like them any more than I like Sea Rays with 12' topsides

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posted 11/02/2009 11:13 PM

SORTIE wrote:
I'd like to hear what a naval architect would have to say about this boat.

Who do you thin designed and engineered it?

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posted 11/03/2009 10:51 AM

clementine wrote:
SORTIE wrote:
I'd like to hear what a naval architect would have to say about this boat.

Who do you thin designed and engineered it?

the marketing department designed the topsides on a computer with the input of focus groups, then they gave it to a N.A. firm and said: "make this float and make it as stable as possible. we'll want to re-arrange the stateroom furniture occasionally. securing it to the floor is so old-school"

it's nothing more than a floating hotel/theme park. Unlike Cap'n Paul, I wouldn't feel safe on it in a blow. It shouldn't venture far from safe harbor.

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posted 11/03/2009 11:14 AM

well, I've been on the next to the biggest cruise ship "Freedom of the Seas" and it blew about 30 the evening we left, beam sea, frm the northeast and we never felt a thing. Honestly though it was just too crowded and I think we had 4,000 passengers plus the crew. This behemoth is going to carry much more than that. We've had more fun and connected more with people on the smaller ships (1000-1500 people), food was better, service was better, with 4000 passengers everything was just a blur and honestly the food sucked, was cold, more like a "golden corral" buffet. Ship was just too big for us. And it was a disaster getting off the last day in Miami, we almost missed our noon flight.

Nope, we'll sail on the smaller ships from now on.

But I always felt safe. Oasis will be safe, just a zoo though.

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posted 11/03/2009 01:06 PM

I like its telescopic smoke towers. I however wouldnt be caught dead on it.

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posted 11/03/2009 01:26 PM

i heard that when she left port, she only cleared the bridge by
2 feet. surprise

that's a little too close for comfort imo.

-ken

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posted 11/03/2009 03:04 PM

yes sir, but that's a bridge they never have to go under again. Roundtrip Miami cruises have no bridges involved...but boy that is close...two feet surprise

Now if they ever decide to bring that big thing up to cruise out of NY they better check the height of the VZ bridge.

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posted 11/03/2009 03:09 PM

could you imagine this going under the VZ bridge, lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdok8Aa-eH8

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posted 11/03/2009 03:28 PM

SORTIE wrote:
Mike: what is unclear about my statement "I can't imagine being on that boat in anything but calm seas"? Norwegian Dawn physical damage may have been limited to glass and a handrail, but its passengers probably will never take another cruise.

I met a couple on a cruise in 2006. They got a voucher for a free cruise when their prior cruise ship, the Crown Princess, rolled 23 degrees and injured nearly 300 people (the Feds blamed a crew member's steering error for the roll). This couple had no fear of returning to cruising only a couple months later.

Passengers 'Held On For Dear Life' When Ship Tilted

Attacking this ship and the cruise industry as a whole because you "don't like them any more than" you "like Sea Rays with 12' topsides" is ridiculous. You don't like cruising and you're afraid of cruise ships, we get it. Leave it at that...

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posted 11/03/2009 05:29 PM

SORTIE wrote:

it's nothing more than a floating hotel/theme park. Unlike Cap'n Paul, I wouldn't feel safe on it in a blow.

Here's a suggestion, don't sail on it and stop your ridiculous, totally unfactual rant. Roll

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posted 11/03/2009 06:39 PM

SORTIE wrote:
clementine wrote:
SORTIE wrote:
I'd like to hear what a naval architect would have to say about this boat.

Who do you thin designed and engineered it?
the marketing department designed the topsides on a computer with the input of focus groups, then they gave it to a N.A. firm and said: "make this float and make it as stable as possible. we'll want to re-arrange the stateroom furniture occasionally. securing it to the floor is so old-school"

it's nothing more than a floating hotel/theme park. Unlike Cap'n Paul, I wouldn't feel safe on it in a blow. It shouldn't venture far from safe harbor.

WELL Brother Snortie, now you know what we (The real working stiff's)in this world feel like when we hear you guys have been up there in your big office "BRAINSTORMING". Toungue

Oh yeah i wouldn't ride on it either !!!! Toungue

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