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I predict a major-league disaster once this ship becomes operational.

I can't imagine being on that boat in anything but calm seas.

It's a top-heavy vessel with sides that will act like an enormous rigid sail...scarier than Halloween if you ask me.

Oasis of Disaster

(edit to add picture - that tug astern of the ship is prolly 60-75')

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posted 11/02/2009 07:12 AM

Good reef material. Shades

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posted 11/02/2009 08:09 AM

That tug may be closer to 100 feet long. Most new tractor tugs appear smaller but that one could be pretty big. Hard to tell from pic.

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posted 11/02/2009 10:24 AM

SORTIE wrote:
I predict a major-league disaster once this ship becomes operational.

I can't imagine being on that boat in anything but calm seas.

It's a top-heavy vessel with sides that will act like an enormous rigid sail...scarier than Halloween if you ask me.

Oasis of Disaster

(edit to add picture - that tug astern of the ship is prolly 60-75')

Another spout off with no factual basis. How do you know what she looks like below the water line? For all you know she carries the Empire State building as a keel. She will have to pass stability tests and be certified by her country of registry and while I think its grotesque, I wouldn't leap to unfounded conclusions about her safety.

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posted 11/02/2009 10:32 AM

Leap?

That's a pretty tall ship.

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posted 11/02/2009 11:09 AM

floating cracker box

she follows the design of most modern cruise ships. it is 213 ft. high and only draws 30 ft of water.you have to be aware of the difference between a cruise ship and an ocean liner. Cruise ships have more usable space because they carry the superstructure further fwd and lack the weather deck of an ocean liner. their hulls are flatter and wider for their length and they don't as do well in extreme conditions. case in point the damage suffered by the Norwegian Dawn when it encountered heavy seas off of hatteras last year.

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posted 11/02/2009 11:47 AM

Five times larger than the Titanic, the $1.5 billion ship has seven neighborhoods, an ice rink, a small golf course and a 750-seat outdoor amphitheater. It has 2,700 cabins and can accommodate 6,300 passengers and 2,100 crew members.

Accommodations include loft cabins, with floor-to-ceiling windows, and 1,600-square-foot (487-meter) luxury suites with balconies overlooking the sea or promenades.

The liner also has four swimming pools, volleyball and basketball courts, and a youth zone with theme parks and nurseries for children......................................

.....................................The enormous ship features various "neighborhoods" — parks, squares and arenas with special themes. One of them will be a tropical environment, including palm trees and vines among the total 12,000 plants on board. They will be planted after the ship arrives in Fort Lauderdale.

In the stern, a 750-seat outdoor theater — modeled on an ancient Greek amphitheater — doubles as a swimming pool by day and an ocean front theater by night. The pool has a diving tower with spring boards and two 33-foot (10-meter) high-dive platforms. An indoor theater seats 1,300 guests.

One of the "neighborhoods," named Central Park, features a square with boutiques, restaurants and bars, including a bar that moves up and down three decks, allowing customers to get on and off at different levels.

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posted 11/02/2009 12:04 PM

MakoMike wrote:
SORTIE wrote:
I predict a major-league disaster once this ship becomes operational.

I can't imagine being on that boat in anything but calm seas.

It's a top-heavy vessel with sides that will act like an enormous rigid sail...scarier than Halloween if you ask me.

Another spout off with no factual basis. How do you know what she looks like below the water line? For all you know she carries the Empire State building as a keel. She will have to pass stability tests and be certified by her country of registry and while I think its grotesque, I wouldn't leap to unfounded conclusions about her safety.

we'll see, MajorMod. if you're seeking an informed voice, look no further than that of Mr Spies and his comments about the performance of Norwegian Dawn in heavy seas. this one would fare worse, by definition.

In the picture below, they've got about nine decks complete. I don't see no Empire State building down below.

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posted 11/02/2009 12:14 PM

SORTIE wrote:

I don't see no Empire State building down below.

SORTIE wrote:

seems he has a weakness for dashing, well-educated men after all

Speak correctly.

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posted 11/02/2009 12:36 PM

I was dumbing it down for you, big boy.

you don't want me to revive my Dozens thread, do you?

NOW GO GET YOUR SHINEBOX

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posted 11/02/2009 12:39 PM

ratio

OASIS: 213' topsides / 30' draft = 7x surprise

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posted 11/02/2009 12:51 PM

SORTIE wrote:

I can't imagine being on that boat in anything but calm seas.

SORTIE wrote:
you're seeking an informed voice, look no further than that of Mr Spies and his comments about the performance of Norwegian Dawn in heavy seas.

Which is it Skip "anything but calm seas" or "heavy seas"? Little bit of a difference there ya know. Cruise ships aren't designed to act like destroyers in heavy weather. They stay in port when a storm threatens.

SORTIE wrote:
I predict a major-league disaster once this ship becomes operational.

Again more than little difference between your prediction and some damage comment by big daddy Spies. Watch out you don't fall off that trike back peddling so fast! Shades

SORTIE wrote:
the picture below, they've got about nine decks complete. I don't see no Empire State building down below.

And now you're going to tell me you went and found that picture of the ship under construction before you spouted off with your initial post? Toungue

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posted 11/02/2009 12:59 PM

She gets a 1A1 classification from Det Norske Veritas. I'd sleep well in a gale.

She may be 200 foot high, but it has a beam of 150 feet.

Remember that Norwegian Dawn was struck by a series of three consecutive Sigma three waves, estimated at seventy feet in height. It was only the third wave that went green onto the vessel. Damage was limited to a few broken windows and a broken hand-rail.

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posted 11/02/2009 01:28 PM

Det Norske Veritas is an independent foundation with the purpose of safeguarding life, property, and the environment. Our history goes back to 1864, when the foundation was established in Norway to inspect and evaluate the technical condition of Norwegian merchant vessels.

Since then, our core competence has been to identify, assess, and advise on how to manage risk. Whether we classify a ship, certify an automotive company’s management system, or advise on how to best maintain an aging oil platform, our focus is to safely and responsibly improve business performance.

you can be sure I'll resurrect this thread once this vessel encounters heavy weather

Mike: what is unclear about my statement "I can't imagine being on that boat in anything but calm seas"? Norwegian Dawn physical damage may have been limited to glass and a handrail, but its passengers probably will never take another cruise.

As for your statement about "staying home in port" when the forecast dictates, it's a good thing those forecasts are 100% accurate Roll

Yes, I saw the keel pics but decided not to post them as they buttress my case that the ship is essentially a huge sail on a small keel, whether or not its 150' wide

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posted 11/02/2009 01:43 PM

I'm just wondering if " Det Norske Veritas" is affiliated with " Bureau Veritas", thats the company I worked at in Stamford, CT., they surveyed ships all around the world.