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lobstercatcher wrote:
I can't speek for any of the captains what they can or can't do with their nets. In the normal and typical opperation of towing nets, it is possable to catch species which are not the target of the opperation. It would be the equivalant of telling anyone/everyone on the ocean, you can't fish in the 500 sq mile area because the fluke season is closed. What if someone trolling for .... striper or fishing for black fish etc hooks one. Also you don't have to fish the bottom to catch cod or haddock. The fish follow the food which herring is. Are you saying that you never reeled in your jig from a 100 ft and then 10 ft from the boat you hook up?

I'm missing something, what part of "no commercial fishing for groundfish in area 1A don't you understand?

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posted 11/02/2009 04:44 PM

"I'm missing something, what part of "no commercial fishing for groundfish in area 1A don't you understand?"

From what I understood.... "they" whoever you are talking about, were fishing for herring... herring isn't groundfish.

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posted 11/02/2009 04:56 PM

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lobstercatcher wrote:
The overall veiw of this subject is widespread and the recreational fishermen are concerned also. The fishing management effort as a whole is a farse. If these boats bring anything to the boat and cannot release it alive, they should be able to sell it wherever they can. Herring boats aren't ground fishing so they should be able to fish in closed ground fishing areas. Is your point also that if this occured in a non ground fish closed area the event would have been perfectly OK? The other commercial fisherman can't catch and sell 10" fish anyway. They use to catch the same stuff and sell it or through it overboard. They didn't target this stuff. they don't want it. But if they do catch it let the do something usefull with it other than WASTE it.

That is precisely the issue, they claim to not be catching groundfish. If they don't I have no problem with them fishing in 1A. But if they are catching groundfish then they shouldn't be allowed to fish there. They may not be "groundfishing" but they may be catching groundfish, which is what the close area is supposed to prevent. Surely you know that a "midwater" net can be towed to just skim the bottom, even though it doesn't have a weighted footrope.

That is a good point, although they don't use a chain foot rope or rollers on a chain (hence the term Midwater) the way they get down to where the school may be "Near" the bottom is to Chain the doors. Which is to say, many chains on the doors and a little slower will put you in the "Zone". although cod and haddock will follow up a bait they are mainly bottom dwellers. You would be a hell of a Multi species fisherman targeting Haddock and be fishing more than a fathom or so off the bottom.

To be counted as By-catch these fish Must be landed. If they see to many Haddock, Cod, dogfish or any other Species they are not targeting they have but to leave the net in the water, split the bag or grappel the cod end and pull the pucker rope. Species NOT landed.

Oh and i DO have a problem with them fishing in a closed (to Commercial) zone. Commercial is commercial.

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posted 11/02/2009 05:00 PM

lobstercatcher wrote:
"I'm missing something, what part of "no commercial fishing for groundfish in area 1A don't you understand?"

From what I understood.... "they" whoever you are talking about, were fishing for herring... herring isn't groundfish.

But they were catching haddock! Little baby haddock at that. If I'm out fishing with a long shanked hook using a squid strip and spearing for bait and I have a bucketful of short fluke can I get away with it if I claim to be striper fishing?

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posted 11/02/2009 05:06 PM

That is a very good discription Don. I think Makomike is making more of a point that they are doing it in a closed to ground fishing area. These people are now creating another new industry. Observers on fishing vessels???? WTF !!!! The observer and regulation industry is worth more than the profit fisherman make. Its more about making jobs for someone who can't work. I hope they can count!

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posted 11/02/2009 05:16 PM

MakoMike wrote:
lobstercatcher wrote:
"I'm missing something, what part of "no commercial fishing for groundfish in area 1A don't you understand?"

From what I understood.... "they" whoever you are talking about, were fishing for herring... herring isn't groundfish.

But they were catching haddock! Little baby haddock at that. If I'm out fishing with a long shanked hook using a squid strip and spearing for bait and I have a bucketful of short fluke can I get away with it if I claim to be striper fishing?

Yes they will catch little baby haddock and cod and whatever whereever they go. In open areas in closed areas. Midwater trawlers and even ground fishing boats. They always did. They still do. The new regulations for mesh size adressed the issue with great results. The exsisting fishing vessdels could never deplete the ocean of fish as it stands today. Fish is not only a sport it is also food.

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posted 11/02/2009 05:27 PM

lobstercatcher wrote:
MakoMike wrote:
lobstercatcher wrote:
"I'm missing something, what part of "no commercial fishing for groundfish in area 1A don't you understand?"

From what I understood.... "they" whoever you are talking about, were fishing for herring... herring isn't groundfish.

But they were catching haddock! Little baby haddock at that. If I'm out fishing with a long shanked hook using a squid strip and spearing for bait and I have a bucketful of short fluke can I get away with it if I claim to be striper fishing?

Yes they will catch little baby haddock and cod and whatever whereever they go. In open areas in closed areas. Midwater trawlers and even ground fishing boats. They always did. They still do. The new regulations for mesh size adressed the issue with great results. The exsisting fishing vessdels could never deplete the ocean of fish as it stands today. Fish is not only a sport it is also food.

Well, thankfully both the NEFMC and NMFS Northeast office disagrees with you and if they are catching groundfish in an area where that is prohibitied they will eventually be banned from fishing there. So they will no longer catch groundfish in a closed area.

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posted 11/02/2009 06:07 PM

Of coarse they would disagree with me. They wouldn't end their own job. All they are doing is collecting a check. Then they will retire and collect a check. If you guys can think past yourself, fish is a food source. What is going to happen when we need fish as food? To feed the population. This is a wild product from the ocean. Do you guys eat? How many people really know where there food has been and where it came from? Check out all the fish piers, the cutting houses. All I know is Boston and "Most" of what I remember is gone. I bet you can go anywhere and find most of what prepares what is caught for human consuption is gone. This should be a horrific senario to most people instead of a striper now needs to be 28 inches.

When aall you people stop eating, thats when your view won't be hypocritical.

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posted 11/02/2009 06:14 PM

yummy beef

HMMMmm just got a call from the wife to check the hamburger I bought... I guess there is a e coli thing hitting the news. e coli is associated with meat and vegy's.

Wish I got the fish. I'd even eat a 10" fish rather than get e coli

Gezzzz I got some of the beef listed. What should I do?

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posted 11/02/2009 06:32 PM

Welp , I guess I should return the beef. I was going to make chili....

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posted 11/02/2009 06:56 PM

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posted 11/02/2009 07:44 PM

I was customer 12 to return the recalled beef.

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posted 11/03/2009 12:21 PM

e coli news clip 2 deaths

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posted 11/03/2009 06:00 PM

I knew fish was good for you but I didnb't know this.

" Eat fish several times a week.
Several recent studies have suggested that men and women have a lower risk of having symptoms of depression if they eat a lot of fish, particularly fatty fish like salmon, which is high in omega-3 fatty acids.

Omega-3s from fish seem to have positive effects on clinically defined mood swings such as postpartum depression, says Jay Whelan, PhD, head of the department of nutrition at the University of Tennessee.

Good sources of omega-3 fatty acids include:

Herring
Rainbow trout
Salmon
Sardines
Tuna "

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posted 11/03/2009 06:11 PM

lobstercatcher wrote:
I knew fish was good for you but I didnb't know this.

" Eat fish several times a week.
Several recent studies have suggested that men and women have a lower risk of having symptoms of depression if they eat a lot of fish, particularly fatty fish like salmon, which is high in omega-3 fatty acids.

Omega-3s from fish seem to have positive effects on clinically defined mood swings such as postpartum depression, says Jay Whelan, PhD, head of the department of nutrition at the University of Tennessee.

Good sources of omega-3 fatty acids include:

Herring
Rainbow trout
Salmon
Sardines
Tuna "

Surly your kidding me ???? Shades

Sorry didn't mean to call you Shirley. Toungue

I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT EVERY FISHERMAN WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT. dam caps !!!! Ok so maybe not the lobster men. Toungue

that has been a well known fact for many years. yes Salmon is #1 that is the only fish that is farm raised that i will eat. (when wild is not available)

Life is not about the breaths we take, it's about the moments that take our breath away

All that truly matters in the end is that you LOVED !!!