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So what was the length of that boat?

In ref to the length of a boat I called and spoke with DMV and asked where the measurements for length were made. I was told from the front end to the transom (on center). If a pulpit is installed would it be measured from that and was told yes. On DMV 82 for boats, section 6 asks for explanation of a change of any information. It appears okay and legit to do that. Re-reg of the boat costs $36 + $10 surcharge = $46.

This doesn't guarantee a lady at DMV knows everything but they usually are pretty accurate with this stuff. Looks do-able. I'd suggest a double check on it though.

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posted 10/29/2009 11:33 AM

Thanks Johnny. I will be trying this over the winter. treypescatorie it should still be your choice if your an adult. When i ride my bike thru CT i choose to keep my helmet on but that doesnt mean everyone else should have to wear one.

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posted 10/29/2009 11:33 PM

Numbers reference the new PFD law.

From an Associated Press Article quoting Dan Keefe, NYS Department of Parks, Recreation & etc, spokesman...
2007- 21 drowning deaths 6 "...in the colder seasons"
2008- 21 drowning deaths 4 "...in the colder seasons"
(Quotes from article in Irondoquit Bay.com, AP, Tom Timmons author.)

Per USCG, in 2008 NATIONWIDE, 510 drowning deaths "from smaller craft"
and "90%" of those,(421), wore no pfd's.(These are for the entire year on ALL of the nation's waterways and marine waters.)

So, in NYS the total population is 19.5 million.
The cold season drowning deaths from smaller craft were 4 in 2008.
What percentage of the state's population is 4?
How many deaths occur while hiking or skiing or free-diving or while on school grounds, etc, etc?

This poorly advised law is neither for financial benefit nor is it intended to remove one more liberty from us. I think that this is simply another foolish legislator,(remember, "legislating" is what they do Confused

), and his/her associates succeeding in getting their names on yet another bill for the notches on their gunstocks.(That's right...illegal).

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posted 10/30/2009 06:37 AM

I haven't read this whole thread but was curious if I'm in my duckboat or layout boat hunting while anchored do I need to keep the vest on or is it just while underway? Thanks

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posted 10/30/2009 07:22 AM

Only while underway. Anchored, moored, or docked, it's not necessary.

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posted 10/30/2009 11:22 AM

Beachglass wrote:
From an Associated Press Article quoting Dan Keefe, NYS Department of Parks, Recreation & etc, spokesman...
2007- 21 drowning deaths 6 "...in the colder seasons"
2008- 21 drowning deaths 4 "...in the colder seasons"
(Quotes from article in Irondoquit Bay.com, AP, Tom Timmons author.)

Per USCG, in 2008 NATIONWIDE, 510 drowning deaths "from smaller craft"
and "90%" of those,(421), wore no pfd's.(These are for the entire year on ALL of the nation's waterways and marine waters.)

So, in NYS the total population is 19.5 million.
The cold season drowning deaths from smaller craft were 4 in 2008.
What percentage of the state's population is 4?
How many deaths occur while hiking or skiing or free-diving or while on school grounds, etc, etc?

This poorly advised law is neither for financial benefit nor is it intended to remove one more liberty from us. I think that this is simply another foolish legislator,(remember, "legislating" is what they do ), and his/her associates succeeding in getting their names on yet another bill for the notches on their gunstocks.(That's right...illegal).

I happen to disagree. I do believe there is some sort of financial motivation. I also believe this is the first step towards a law mandating life jackets for all at all times.
The state started with requiring life jackets in boats for all occupants as opposed to the life cushions that were previously acceptable. It was only a matter of time before they forced people to have to wear them. I believe this law is the first step.
The state will pass out hundreds if not thousands of tickets between Nov 1st and May 1st. Does anyone really believe they will stop at those times?
They will then use the exact numbers you just printed to argue their need for full time enforcement. Although they will probably break the numbers down to percentages.
Instead of saying they are doing it because it may save an extra 17 people ( 21 total minus the 4 from the cold months) they will say that they need to enforce the law all the time because 81% of the drowning deaths occur in the warmer months.
To enact a law enforcing an entire population to do something to MAYBE save 21 people is a slippery slope.
To enforce a law to try to save 4 people is even crazier I guess.
With that sort of thinking there are a hell of a lot more laws that can be enacted in the name of "saving" ourselves from unnecessary death.
Common sense would tell you to wear a life jacket if you were the only one on board your boat in snotty conditions. You can't pass and enforce a common sense law , so you can't save everyone.

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posted 11/01/2009 07:52 AM

treypescatorie wrote:
Newsday Artical:

A Manhattan lawyer and a South Shore towboat captain pulled a onetime correction officer out of frigid waters after he had fallen overboard and drifted for an hour.

"I was thinking about my kids and not seeing them anymore," said John Signer, 45, from the hospital Friday where he was being treated for severe hypothermia.

Signer, an avid angler from Holbrook and onetime city correction officer, was pulled Thursday from the drink, numb and disoriented, after falling overboard off Moriches Inlet.

Towboat captain Mark Grivas was fishing for stripers in the inlet and waiting for a tow call when his radio squawked: man in the water, and close by.

The alert reached attorney Jonathan Pearlroth, 49, about 2:30 p.m. as he pounded in a fence outside his Westhampton Beach home. "I heard a scream but I thought it was a bird until my neighbor said there was a guy way, way out there," he said.

Signer was fishing alone about a mile offshore when he said he reached to untangle a fishing line from his propeller and went overboard. For an hour, he paddled and drifted.

"My left leg was totally numb, like one big cramp, and my right leg wasn't far behind," he said. A bay constable later said a private plane pilot spotted him and made the first emergency call, Signer said.

After grabbing a loose boat bumper, Pearlroth said he jumped into the water and was able to get through the breaking waves to reach Signer, whom he described as "blue, with pink spots."

The pair clung to the makeshift flotation device for about 20 minutes before Grivas was able to secure his boat and get them on board. "The guy was shaking, he was blue, I thought he was going into cardiac arrest," said Grivas, 54, who piloted the boat to a Coast Guard station in East Moriches.

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At Brookhaven Memorial Medical Center in East Patchogue, where Signer was being treated for hypothermia, he said he's not in the habit of wearing a lifejacket.

"It was my own fault for not wearing the jacket when I lean over the back of the boat. It was a bonehead move," Signer said.

Any Questions?

YES,
These guys HAD a PFD. They used a "loose boat bumper," as a "flotation device". They almost died from HYPOTHERMIA. Not from lack of a life jacket.
Wearing a PFD just makes it easier to retrieve your dead body, after you die from hypothermia.
Do you want the state to make drysuits mandatory now? How about we just let them make boating in the winter illegal?

When I take out my small boat in the winter, I wear a drysuit.
When I take out my big boat alone in the winter and the weather is rough, I use jack lines and a harness. See I prefer not to fall overboard. But that is just me. I have no right to tell you, what YOU, have to wear.

We can not continue to let the State decide what is best for us. That is our individual choice. If you want to wear a PFD, fine...just don't tell me I have to wear one.

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posted 11/01/2009 11:04 PM

absolute bullsh**!!!

I have already posted my opinion so I will not get back into it. in reading more of this thread and seeing the stats, I'm just curious of the four drowning in the state last year how many idiots died falling off of boats under 21 feet??? How exactly does it make me safer being on say a 21 whaler as opposed to my 17 montauk??? Jerkoff session!!! Do you think there really going to enforce this idiotic law???

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posted 11/02/2009 08:30 AM

STOPPED YESTERDAY

Was fishing on my friends 2150 Parker yesterday in the triangle in Huntington. The Coast Guard came out of Eatons in their brand new Aluminum hulled inflatable and headed right for us. (we must of had a sign up or something.) Made a safety boarding. Said they were boarding boats to make us aware of the new PFD law. He immediately said he was not going to ticket us but was just informing people for now.
Now here the good part.....
I said that I "thought" I had read that the law applied to boats UNDER21FT. CG officer said no, it includes vessels 21' (and under) Then, buddy asks about "at anchor" (which we were), he says it applies to boats at anchor and fishing. He again says this stop was just to inform us though, to make people aware of the new law.
He just completed a regular safety check then (flares, regi, pfds, ect.) We watched them then go to a few other 21 and under boats.

Later in the afternoon, we see the CG UTB coming around to same area boarding. They also came over to us, but veered of the last second. Guess they called in our regi?
If the law is indeed "UNDER 21 FT", SOMEONE SHOULD TELL THE COASTIES. Also if at anchor applies!

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posted 11/02/2009 08:41 AM

Ask Chris

Well Chris I did bring this up and i also felt it has to be over 21 ft to not be the new law. But If you can find out any info on this let us know. In all honesty some Coasties and DEC are clueless they are just sent out as messengers and most don't truly know the true enforcment rules. But anyone with Facts please fill us in.

Funny in a prior post here someone stated this new law is for saftey and not money matters.
Well if they are having guys give warning be sure the fines and money will be flowing in for the Feds for thats where the money will go.
This is just another sly money making law

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posted 11/02/2009 03:59 PM

It's a state law, not a federal law, so I'm surprised to hear of the coasties even bothering to enforce it.

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posted 11/02/2009 04:16 PM

CG is clueless - Copy and carry
State Site

Law requires PFDs to be worn on small boats from Nov. 1 to May 1
New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation Commissioner Carol Ash today reminded boaters that a new state law taking effect in November requires that all boaters on recreational watercraft less than 21 feet in length – including motorboats, canoes, kayaks, rowboats and sailboats – must wear a personal flotation device (PFD) from November 1 to May 1 on New York waters.

Commercial boats could be 6ft long and not need one as well. Guess those guys can swim better then us.

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posted 11/02/2009 04:56 PM

no right to enforce?

Chris coasties have no right to enforce a state law correct?

or is this a gray area

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posted 11/02/2009 05:55 PM

I don't know that they can't.

But I know when my brother was in the Coast Guard, he told me that they'd call the state cops when it was state violations (for fisheries at least). But since state cops can enforce federal fisheries violations, which is empowered to them by the feds that pay the state to do so, maybe the feds can enforce state laws through reciprocity.

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posted 11/02/2009 06:09 PM

The language of the bill:

Amd S40, Nav L

Requires the wearing of personal flotation devices when underway on a pleasure vessel less than twenty-one feet between November first and May first.

§ 2. Definitions.
The following terms when used in this chapter unless otherwise expressly stated, or unless the context of the language or subject matter indicates a different meaning or application was intended, shall be deemed to mean and include:

6. "Vessel" shall mean any floating craft and all vessels shall belong to one of the following classes:
(a) "Public Vessel" shall mean and include every vessel which is propelled in whole or in part by mechanical power and is used or operated for commercial purposes on the navigable waters of the state; that is either carrying passengers, carrying freight, towing, or for any other use; for which a compensation is received, either directly or where provided as an accommodation, advantage, facility or privilege at any place of public accommodation, resort or amusement.
(b) "Residential vessel" shall mean and include every vessel which is used primarily as a residence.
(c) "Pleasure vessel" shall mean and include every vessel not within the classification of public vessel or residential vessel. However, the provisions of this chapter shall not apply to rowboats and canoes except as otherwise expressly provided.

16. "Under way" shall mean that the vessel is not at anchor, or made fast to the shore, or aground.

And less than 21' means 20.999' and less. It would not include a 21' boat. I was not able to find a definition for the length of a vessel, so that appears to be up to interpretaion, by you, the LEO, or the judge for how a boat is measured to be 21'. Length on the reggie, length measured after add-ons, etc.

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