Saltwater Fishing Discussion Board Including Inshore Fishing, Offshore Fishing, Saltwater Fly Fishing and Kayak Fishing

FischerMan21 wrote:
tomjg wrote:
FischerMan21 wrote:
how is it all that much different then the state requering you to wear a seat belt in a car?

I have to wear a life jacket- A seat belt is part of the car. I have to either go out and buy life jackets or wear the little orange ones I bought for my boats 10 years ago when floatation cushions no longer met the standard.
I'm guessing you are ok with this law - I'm not. And WHEN the state tells everyone they have to wear a vest all the time ( and keep in mind- if their intention is to save lives - there are a hell of a lot more people on the water in June , July, August and September) , then you'll have to put one on in 90 degree weather. But hey- it's for your own good , the State knows best.Not to mention those search and rescue missions don't get cheaper in July.

This is another example of the state over stepping their bounds- IMHO.
I wasn't a big fan of the seat belt law by the way and have been predicting this new "wear a life vest" law since they made it mandatory to have life vests for everyone in a boat , instead of life cushions.
1st step: make a boat have life jackets for everyone on board: done
2nd step : make every one wear life jackets for half the year: done:
next step: make every one wear life jackets at all times: coming soon

Theres a lot more people out there and the water temp is a lot warmer. Since theres a lot more people it would also stand to reason that there would be many more good Samaritans around to help if they saw something happen to you, its kind of the boating code I was always brought up with if you see someone in trouble you do anything you can to help. But its more a factor of time you will last much longer in 60 degree water then in 40 degree water. And as for search and recover being cheaper in the summer that is true but they sure are a lot easier and quicker, even with a dry suite on your dive time become much shorter and the work you do is not nearly as effective in colder water. I don’t see this as a huge revenue grab like many seem to think. Lets face it the amount of boaters out on boats 21’ or smaller between 11/1 and 5/1 is not a super high number.

I don't believe any one will be able to convince me this is a meant to save lives and that it will not result in mandatory wearing of life jackets for all people on all boats.
I'd be interested to know how many people from boats drown in NYS waters in the summer as opposed to the months they are targeting.
If the number is higher in the months they are not requiring ( YET) - all arguments that this is for safety reasons go right out the window.

AMERICA- YOU'VE BEEN DUPED!!

FischerMan21
Noreast.com Club Member

Joined: 07/11/2006
Posts: 1071
Location: Copiague

posted 10/20/2009 12:50 PM

tomjg wrote:
FischerMan21 wrote:
tomjg wrote:
FischerMan21 wrote:
how is it all that much different then the state requering you to wear a seat belt in a car?

I have to wear a life jacket- A seat belt is part of the car. I have to either go out and buy life jackets or wear the little orange ones I bought for my boats 10 years ago when floatation cushions no longer met the standard.
I'm guessing you are ok with this law - I'm not. And WHEN the state tells everyone they have to wear a vest all the time ( and keep in mind- if their intention is to save lives - there are a hell of a lot more people on the water in June , July, August and September) , then you'll have to put one on in 90 degree weather. But hey- it's for your own good , the State knows best.Not to mention those search and rescue missions don't get cheaper in July.

This is another example of the state over stepping their bounds- IMHO.
I wasn't a big fan of the seat belt law by the way and have been predicting this new "wear a life vest" law since they made it mandatory to have life vests for everyone in a boat , instead of life cushions.
1st step: make a boat have life jackets for everyone on board: done
2nd step : make every one wear life jackets for half the year: done:
next step: make every one wear life jackets at all times: coming soon

Theres a lot more people out there and the water temp is a lot warmer. Since theres a lot more people it would also stand to reason that there would be many more good Samaritans around to help if they saw something happen to you, its kind of the boating code I was always brought up with if you see someone in trouble you do anything you can to help. But its more a factor of time you will last much longer in 60 degree water then in 40 degree water. And as for search and recover being cheaper in the summer that is true but they sure are a lot easier and quicker, even with a dry suite on your dive time become much shorter and the work you do is not nearly as effective in colder water. I don’t see this as a huge revenue grab like many seem to think. Lets face it the amount of boaters out on boats 21’ or smaller between 11/1 and 5/1 is not a super high number.

I don't believe any one will be able to convince me this is a meant to save lives and that it will not result in mandatory wearing of life jackets for all people on all boats.
I'd be interested to know how many people from boats drown in NYS waters in the summer as opposed to the months they are targeting.
If the number is higher in the months they are not requiring ( YET) - all arguments that this is for safety reasons go right out the window.

I don’t think this is meant to save lives per say. It’s more to limit costs associated with search and recover efforts. If a boat goes down in the middle of summer, even if know one helps out they at least have people to give an approximation of where they should begin to look. During the winter months with fewer boats it may be harder to pin down a location therefore making a larger search grid which logically means that it would take longer to locate someone. With time equaling money it doesn’t leave much to the imagination

tomjg

Joined: 11/14/2006
Posts: 2587
Location: long beach

posted 10/20/2009 01:47 PM

FischerMan21 wrote:
tomjg wrote:
FischerMan21 wrote:
tomjg wrote:
FischerMan21 wrote:
how is it all that much different then the state requering you to wear a seat belt in a car?

I have to wear a life jacket- A seat belt is part of the car. I have to either go out and buy life jackets or wear the little orange ones I bought for my boats 10 years ago when floatation cushions no longer met the standard.
I'm guessing you are ok with this law - I'm not. And WHEN the state tells everyone they have to wear a vest all the time ( and keep in mind- if their intention is to save lives - there are a hell of a lot more people on the water in June , July, August and September) , then you'll have to put one on in 90 degree weather. But hey- it's for your own good , the State knows best.Not to mention those search and rescue missions don't get cheaper in July.

This is another example of the state over stepping their bounds- IMHO.
I wasn't a big fan of the seat belt law by the way and have been predicting this new "wear a life vest" law since they made it mandatory to have life vests for everyone in a boat , instead of life cushions.
1st step: make a boat have life jackets for everyone on board: done
2nd step : make every one wear life jackets for half the year: done:
next step: make every one wear life jackets at all times: coming soon

Theres a lot more people out there and the water temp is a lot warmer. Since theres a lot more people it would also stand to reason that there would be many more good Samaritans around to help if they saw something happen to you, its kind of the boating code I was always brought up with if you see someone in trouble you do anything you can to help. But its more a factor of time you will last much longer in 60 degree water then in 40 degree water. And as for search and recover being cheaper in the summer that is true but they sure are a lot easier and quicker, even with a dry suite on your dive time become much shorter and the work you do is not nearly as effective in colder water. I don’t see this as a huge revenue grab like many seem to think. Lets face it the amount of boaters out on boats 21’ or smaller between 11/1 and 5/1 is not a super high number.

I don't believe any one will be able to convince me this is a meant to save lives and that it will not result in mandatory wearing of life jackets for all people on all boats.
I'd be interested to know how many people from boats drown in NYS waters in the summer as opposed to the months they are targeting.
If the number is higher in the months they are not requiring ( YET) - all arguments that this is for safety reasons go right out the window.

I don’t think this is meant to save lives per say. It’s more to limit costs associated with search and recover efforts. If a boat goes down in the middle of summer, even if know one helps out they at least have people to give an approximation of where they should begin to look. During the winter months with fewer boats it may be harder to pin down a location therefore making a larger search grid which logically means that it would take longer to locate someone. With time equaling money it doesn’t leave much to the imagination

Well- about the only thing we'll agree on , on this topic, is this is about money. I think it's about the state trying to make money- you think it's about them trying to save money. When it goes to all year round on all boats - I guess we'll have the answer.

AMERICA- YOU'VE BEEN DUPED!!

deadlydan

Joined: 10/01/2007
Posts: 232
Location: Kings Park

posted 10/20/2009 04:07 PM

its all about the money. plenty of boats under 21 fishing or going after ducks during that time. first step into year round. once they can compile their made up facts on lives saved during the winter.... you know whats next

Here fishy fishy

hauler

Joined: 03/12/2002
Posts: 1991

posted 10/20/2009 04:54 PM

Will you have to get the vest inspected by a NYS Licensed Life Jacket inspector?

Kidding aside, I for one can't wait to see the baymen in Huntington Harbor flying out the harbor in January wearing their pfd's.

Hunt n' Fish
Noreast.com Club Member

Moderator
Boating Angler
General Fishing Forum
Posted Reports
Hunting

Joined: 04/11/2001
Posts: 7853
Location: Holbrook, NY

posted 10/20/2009 06:44 PM

hauler wrote:
I for one can't wait to see the baymen in Huntington Harbor flying out the harbor in January wearing their pfd's.

Baymen won't have to wear them. It's for pleasure boaters only. So only recreational anglers, duck hunters, seal watchers, and all other boaters that aren't commercial fishing, or otherwise working on the water, on boats less than 21' have to wear them.

President, RAIBS
Recreational Anglers against Internet BS

JohnnyKapalua

Joined: 09/14/2004
Posts: 518

posted 10/28/2009 01:17 AM

I'll go out on my 20 for Nov. and maybe in April but I figure if I really wanted to avoid any problems I'll install a 14" pulpit (board with a roller on the tip) for "my anchor line" Wink

and then re-register the boat as a 21.

I'm not inferring I'm above wearing a PDF at that time of year when fishing, I'd just like to make that decision on my own.
Shades

This post edited by JohnnyKapalua 01:18 AM 10/28/2009

Cowbass

Joined: 10/17/2001
Posts: 237
Location: HOOKED UP

posted 10/28/2009 11:48 AM

Big brother

This is just another example of big brother, to much govt. Who are they to say I can't drown if I want to? Am I hurting anyone else, putting the public at risk? This is a jerk off session just like seat belts and helmet laws for bikes. First a license now a pfd what next? Your right soon we will have to wear them on all boats all the time. So I say STAY OUT OF MY LIFE!!! What we need to do is vote these liberal pricks right out of office before they tax us for using a public bathroom!!! Just my thoughts. Nothing personal. I hate to much govt!!!

SHUT UP AND FISH!!!

UrbanFishingMan

Joined: 05/01/2005
Posts: 102
Location: East Marion

posted 10/28/2009 04:42 PM

WEAR UR VEST

PLEASE ALWAYS WEAR UR VEST
visit mustangsurvival.com
they have alot to offer.
pfd can be deployed manually also
just like a rescue swimmers vest.
these things are tiny.
THEY MAY SAVE YOUR LIFE
princetontec is a great place for
strobe lights & dive lights cheap.
hypothermia is always a concern now.

No fish is worth your life.

poorrichard

Joined: 05/20/2005
Posts: 98

posted 10/28/2009 07:55 PM

You can thank Assemblyman Engelbright for this poorly written piece of legislation.

Just like the poorly planned NY Saltwater License.

Also approved by our NY State Legislators.

ALL ALbany is after is the $$$$$$

WESTERNS0UND

Joined: 10/23/2009
Posts: 99

posted 10/28/2009 07:56 PM

I will be changing the brand name of my boat from Adventurer 20 to Adventurer 21. I did just put a bow pulpit on will that work? I just can't where a vest, i was out this weekend in shorts and a t-shirt and i was still sweating.

togmaster
Noreast.com Club Member

Moderator
The Captain Corner with Captain Mike Marks

Joined: 03/19/2002
Posts: 4047
Location: out fishn

posted 10/28/2009 08:04 PM

you need 1 ft more

guys keep saying im go to a 21 ft but you need a 22 to not need the vest better make the reg say 22 ft

Capt. Mike's Marks Homepage

Shut up N fish <;;;>

ahiman
Noreast.com Club Member

Joined: 09/29/2006
Posts: 8626
Location: On a volcano

posted 10/28/2009 08:27 PM

Good luck adding a bow pulpit to your boat and thinking it changes the official length of the boat. Not going to work. Finger

Tag and release for future generations

Mid Pacific Director of Tourism for the Pikers

Fly Navy

Hunt n' Fish
Noreast.com Club Member

Moderator
Boating Angler
General Fishing Forum
Posted Reports
Hunting

Joined: 04/11/2001
Posts: 7853
Location: Holbrook, NY

posted 10/28/2009 08:34 PM

togmaster wrote:
guys keep saying im go to a 21 ft but you need a 22 to not need the vest better make the reg say 22 ft

Where did you read that Mike? The regulation I read said "under 21-feet" which would mean 20.999' or less. 21' is good to go.

And I question what the length is based on. The regulation does not specify the length listed on your registration. So an add on pulpit or transom platform may work if you tell the officer to break out his tape measure. I know I don't carry my registration on my duck boat. I'm going to need a 3.5 foot bow pulpit for that Toungue

President, RAIBS
Recreational Anglers against Internet BS

treypescatorie

Joined: 08/27/2001
Posts: 545
Location: Moriches Bay

posted 10/28/2009 08:49 PM

No Life Jacket!

Newsday Artical:

A Manhattan lawyer and a South Shore towboat captain pulled a onetime correction officer out of frigid waters after he had fallen overboard and drifted for an hour.

"I was thinking about my kids and not seeing them anymore," said John Signer, 45, from the hospital Friday where he was being treated for severe hypothermia.

Signer, an avid angler from Holbrook and onetime city correction officer, was pulled Thursday from the drink, numb and disoriented, after falling overboard off Moriches Inlet.

Towboat captain Mark Grivas was fishing for stripers in the inlet and waiting for a tow call when his radio squawked: man in the water, and close by.

The alert reached attorney Jonathan Pearlroth, 49, about 2:30 p.m. as he pounded in a fence outside his Westhampton Beach home. "I heard a scream but I thought it was a bird until my neighbor said there was a guy way, way out there," he said.

Signer was fishing alone about a mile offshore when he said he reached to untangle a fishing line from his propeller and went overboard. For an hour, he paddled and drifted.

"My left leg was totally numb, like one big cramp, and my right leg wasn't far behind," he said. A bay constable later said a private plane pilot spotted him and made the first emergency call, Signer said.

After grabbing a loose boat bumper, Pearlroth said he jumped into the water and was able to get through the breaking waves to reach Signer, whom he described as "blue, with pink spots."

The pair clung to the makeshift flotation device for about 20 minutes before Grivas was able to secure his boat and get them on board. "The guy was shaking, he was blue, I thought he was going into cardiac arrest," said Grivas, 54, who piloted the boat to a Coast Guard station in East Moriches.

connections Comcast Broadcom AT&T Inc. TiVo Inc. The CW
At Brookhaven Memorial Medical Center in East Patchogue, where Signer was being treated for hypothermia, he said he's not in the habit of wearing a lifejacket.

"It was my own fault for not wearing the jacket when I lean over the back of the boat. It was a bonehead move," Signer said.

Any Questions?