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I have a flyer from Mark Lesco that just arrived this morning:

He claims in it he wants to "raise the quality of life just like they did in Babylon"

Well hope it's true and he realizes that Babylon has some of the best beach access in the state, and possibly the East Coast....

I know of no fishing bans in Babylon either.

Also a bullet point in there to "Improve our town's parks and recreational facilities"

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posted 03/14/2009 01:52 PM

I hope to see alot of the regular noreast.com members there. If we can fill up the room for a seminar, we should be able to fill up the room to protect our access.

Thanks !!

John

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posted 03/14/2009 10:23 PM

I have to admit that I haven't been following this issue BUT >>>
I will be there to show my support and better educate myself to the issues. I fish and enjoy what access I have therefor I will be there to support the cause

>>>>>>>>Martin

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posted 03/15/2009 08:54 AM

BennyBass wrote:
I have to admit that I haven't been following this issue BUT >>>
I will be there to show my support and better educate myself to the issues. I fish and enjoy what access I have therefor I will be there to support the cause >>>>>>>>Martin

Thanks in advance Martin and everyone else who will be coming down.We need a strong show of support, everybody who shows up there whether they fish Shoreham Beach or not shows the politicians that they can not trample on our rights.

This issue goes way beyond Shoreham. We cant afford to lose access anywhere. Once it is lost , it is impossible to get back. We lose here, it only gets worse and the next politician or rich beahc front resident tries to do this somewhere else. We win this one and it is a strong deterrent so they think twice before they try this again.

I think we have become so conditioned by the lack of access ,reduced seasons, etc that we dont realize how limited the fishing is considering we are surounded by water !! It is really obscene how hard it is to fish on Long Island.

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posted 03/15/2009 09:37 AM

According to Jane Bonner you do not have the right to fish there! Also accoding to Jane Bonner the entire North Shore of Long Island is settled by private communities and if you do not pay dues to them you do not have the right to fish there! It seems to be that Jane Bonner feels she is a higher class citizen than the rest of us. Also at the meeting the other night she repeated the statement that it is not only fisherman, there are no boats allowed either! Its time to stand up and be counted folks. WE need anglers to show up in massive numbers to prove to the poltiticians we are not going to stand for this injustice. The ban must be lifted. Don't think for a second that other Townships are not watching this. See you all there.

Tom Farrell
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posted 03/18/2009 04:17 PM

Meeting tonight

I am getting ready to head east to Shoreham. I hope to see many Noreasters there tonight !

John

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posted 03/18/2009 05:10 PM

I'll be there

I don't look busy because I did it right the first time.

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posted 03/19/2009 06:47 AM

Great job everyone. At least 3/4 of the people in the packed room were fishermen. Lesko clearly gets it. If I lived in Brookhaven, he'd have my vote in a heartbeat. He saw it for the simple issue it is - anglers want to access the public domain beach via the Town park, and that this right was taken away because of litter. He understands that we care about the beaches and are not the cause of the litter. Access to the beach seems like a very fast and done deal if he gets in.
Mazzei, while facing a large crowd of fishermen, said he wanted to resolve the problem. His solution is to move the Town Beach east, and away from the bluff-top beach communities. That doesn't deal with the litter problem, it only moves it. This solution would take a long time to implement because it involves National Grid. It also seems wasteful to me because Brookhaven has already spent a lot of taxpayer money on the current park. He frequently said nice things about Jane Bonner, and we know where she stands on this issue (on our necks).
Lesko really nailed it when he said someone needed to be held accountable for this situation, and although Mazzei says he wants to solve the problem, it happened under Mazzei's watch as a Town Council member since 2003, the head of the Republican Party, and the Town Council Majority Leader. As Lesko put it, "actions speak louder than words". From what I saw, Brookhaven would be lucky to have Lesko as their Town Supervisor.

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posted 03/19/2009 07:26 AM

Hi John,

It was nice to see you, and so many other folks that I haven't seen in a long time there last night. Another thing I had to appreciate about Mark's stance was, as you said, he identified the problem in the area being littering, lean-tos and people damaging the vegation on the bluffs. His answer was not to ban anglers, but suggested increasing enforcement of the rules in the area. I like a guy who says:

wrote:
instead of adding more rules we're not going to enforce, let's enforce the ones we have more effectively.

Another important thing I took away from that meeting last night is that National Grid is going to be looking to sell off/donate it's 800-Acres of property where the Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant now sits. And the Town of Brookhaven is looking to grab as much of that land for themselves as they can. But while Shoreham is located in the Town of Brookhaven, all of Long Island's residents (NYS citizens) have been paying for that debacle. And all of NYS residents should have access to that property when it's decommissioned. What a great site for state access. A STATE PUBLIC boat ramp could be put in where the cold water intake channels runs (Like Northport has) and there are 800-Acres of land there that could be turned over and managed to provide more hunting opportunities, and hiking, horseback riding, and many other outdoor activities.

At a time where the Saltwater License is impending on recreational anglers, and the DEC has appointed a person to work on Marine Access, this seems like a great opportunity for the State to provide it's residents, with something for it's money. A State Public Access ramp to the middle of the North Shore of Long Island.

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posted 03/19/2009 07:51 AM

Very good meeting I felt. Kudos to the Shoreham Civic association in understanding our needs and do have a resolution in the works that looks for a compromise. Very well run and business like with a courteous and professional tone.

It was enlightening to hear our rights under the Public Trust Doctrine are legitimate and this property is no exception.

Both candidates were likeable and passionate about running the town...

However a sense of divergency developed soon after Mr. Mazzei's numerous remarks of praise and admiration for Ms. Bonner.

As a Brookhaven resident and proud voter, unfortunately for Mr. Mazzei he's made friends with the wrong type of politician.

As a voter, I would seek candidates who consider the WHOLE district they represent, not themselves and others who represent a small portion of the whole community.

Mr. Lesko, I feel, gets it and understands that the town can no longer be run to benefit the select few but the needs of the whole community needs to be considered.

I was fortunate enough to be sitting by Ms> bonner's potential running mate in the next election. She gave me a brief lesson in Sanitary code 221....

I bring this up because I know some of the Shoreham civic association and the candidates themselves follow this thread.

There seems to be a new "creative" twist thrown into the fishing ban defense in saying "the COUNTY designated the beach as a "bathing beach" and under sanitary code 221 this limits boating and fishing.

This is indeed true. However, as Ms. Bonner herself surely must know when invoking this code as the source of the ban should also know that the code goes on to clearly state "during normal bathing hours"... (this last part of the code seems to be creatively ommitted to suit the needs of the few residents who live closer to the water..)

When the lifeguards are not present, the beach again becomes "public property" and the public trust doctrine and fishing itself is indeed legal during off hours when it is not "bathing season"..

It was interesting to hear from the civic association why the ban was enacted in the first place. "Dirty diapers, homeless shelters, littering blah blah but nothing about sport fisherman making a mess.

We are appaled by such litter as the people who live there and many like myself would never throw a single piece of paper on the grounbd and in fact clean our area of refuse left by other peole who in fact can be disgusting pigs.

Fact is littering, making homeless shelters, dirty diapers etc. is ILLEGAL, and lately have been overun by ILLEGAL aliens. All this is is indeed illegal, and code enforcement should be expanded.

I endorse Mr. Lesko and look forward to cast my vote for him on Tuesday, March 31 at my normal polling station.

I suggest all Brookhaven residents who have an interest in enjoying our God given beaches to do the same.

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posted 03/19/2009 09:06 AM

Very disappointed in Mazzei's lackluster performance on the fishing issue. Never addressed impropriety of Bonner's actions on behalf of one local resident. In fact he praised her in general on other issues. The other candidate Lesko? SEEMED to imply that this should never have happened in the first place and that he would set it right immediately. Have never voted for a democrat.....but there is always a first time for everything. Bonner must go.

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posted 03/19/2009 09:12 AM

charlietuna wrote:
Never addressed impropriety of Bonner's actions on behalf of one local resident.

Umm Ms. Bonner lives on Shoreham beach. Her actions were for the benefit of herself, not the needs of the WHOLE community. down

The ban can only be enforced during "normal bathing hours". Fine by me. Once the lifeguards and swimming season is over and gone, the land is public once again.

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posted 03/19/2009 09:41 AM

No fishing person wants to use the bathing beach when in use as a bathing beach. There are miles of beach on each side. That is the real issue.
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posted 03/19/2009 09:52 AM

Also, regarding the issue of Suffolk County health regulations being the impetus for the ban. This is TOTAL B.S. You mean to tell me that out of the blue some bureabungler at the countly level decided to research what rules were in effect at an obscure town beach and then call for more restrictive enforcement. This is a cover for the influence peddled on Bonner by a local resident who wanted the illegals away from his property and on to someone elses. Suffolk regulations were just the tool used on us.

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posted 03/19/2009 09:54 AM

willyyoung wrote:
No fishing person wants to use the bathing beach when in use as a bathing beach. There are miles of beach on each side. That is the real issue.
Willie
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the ban can only be enforced in the 150 feet of the beach and only during "normal bathing hours".. the rest of the beach, and the land around it falls under the Public Trust Doctrine, and the 150 feet in question is the only stretch that can be enforced, and then it's only during "normal bathing hours" and when life guards are present can fishing/boating ban have legal merit.. all other activities including banning fishing poles from the beach is illegal and will not hold up in court. Early morning and late afternoons when there are no lifeguards and swimming, legal activities such as fishing and boating are legal. I bring this up as a legal challenge to a misguided invokation of "Sanitary code 221" that some residents have used as an excuse for extending the ban "beyond normal bathing areas" to include yearlong closures to fishing. This is illegal and until the Supreme court overturns precedent in it's Public Trust Doctrine rulings, the tickets are not worth the paper they are printed on if fishing this beach during off hours and off season.

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